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    fyi Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

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    I know the South China Sea is off the radar for many people because events in the Middle East and Central Asia has the attention of many Americans and others around the world, but the South China Sea has been simmering as a hot spot for about two decades. In the past couple of years, things have been slowly heating up with Chinese encroachments into the EEZ and/or territorial waters of Viet Nam, Indonesia and the Philippines. Now, it seems that the Chinese are about to go one step further.


    MANILA (AFP) The Philippines said Wednesday it had formally protested to Beijing over recent activity in disputed waters of the South China Sea and Chinese plans to anchor an oil rig there.

    China's charge d'affaires in Manila was summoned to the foreign ministry on Tuesday to hear the government's concerns over actions by the Chinese military in the South China Sea, a ministry statement said.

    The foreign ministry said it "requested clarification from the Chinese embassy on the recent sightings of a China Marine Surveillance vessel and other People's Liberation Army Navy ships".
    China along with the four ASEAN claimant states have signed agreements to work together to jointly develop the resources of the sea basin and ensure freedom of navigation, but China has never backed down from its claim that the entire bed of the South China Sea is a part of its internal waters. This would trigger major territorial disputes with Viet Nam, Indonesia, Brunei Darusalaam, Malaysia and the Philippines.

    This has serious implications for the United States and Japan, among other states. Viet Nam and the Philippines have openly been courting closer ties with the United States over fears of Chinese expansionism and it is assumed that Indonesia will make similar pushes when Obama meets SBY later this year. I have also seen many editorials in Indonesian newspapers supporting closer relations with the United States (note - relations between Indonesia and the United States has been generally good since the late 1960s the East Timor - now Timor Leste - situation notwithstanding).

    The U.S. should cultivate its relations with states in the region. The U.S. is generally well-liked in many east and southeast Asian countries and it is the one power that can ensure stability in the region. Considering that some of the world's businest trade routes are in the region and as a maritime nation, the U.S. relies on passage through those routes as much as anyone else, it is in the national interests of the United States to remain engaged and a force for stability in the region.

    To accomplish this, it will require statecraft and a knowledge of the region that doesn't really seem to exist in the White House (and hasn't for quite some time) as well as some gumption to resist the bias in the State Department that has been there for China for the past three decades.
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Obama's commitments to our long time allies is questionable to some, but in my mind he's a spineless, weak kneed, marsh mallow milk toast, with an agenda known only yo his Radical friends and Czars, etc.

    He is not one to back up anything that doesn't result in furthering his assault on the Constitution and the values our Nation has stood for for over 230 years.

    What is his end Game? I have no clue but in the last two year he has insulted the UK and Israel and Bowed and scared to Islamic countries that wish nothing more than our destruction.

    Why would he stand up to China for the Philippines where we no longer have much control.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

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    HANOI, Vietnam – Vietnam fired artillery rounds off its central coast Monday in naval drills announced during a maritime spat with Beijing, as conflicts heat up between China and its neighbors over the potentially oil-rich South China Sea.

    Vietnam accuses Chinese boats of disrupting oil and gas exploration in its waters, echoing a similar dispute that flared last week with the Philippines concerning Beijing's ramped-up moves to assert its sovereignty over disputed areas in recent months.

    Vietnam said it would welcome foreign involvement to keep the peace, in an apparent reference to the United States, which last year angered China by offering to mediate South China Sea disputes and calling them a matter of its own national interest.
    This is heating up. The Philippines is also getting riled up and Taiwan is talking of senting marines to Taiping Island in the Spratleys...
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Obama won't mess with China. He's too busy getting into the Libyan War.
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama won't mess with China. He's too busy getting into the Libyan War.
    So much for the tough talk from Obama during the campaign...

    Just goes to show, can't trust a Harvard Law grad... (we have the same problem here in Taiwan, BTW)
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    IMO, the U.S. needs to let China know in unambiguous terms how it views the South China sea. Ambiguity invites problems that affect multiple countries, as well as critical U.S. interests. A viable approach has to accommodate the needs of all the countries that border the South China Sea.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Obama's commitments to our long time allies is questionable to some, but in my mind he's a spineless, weak kneed, marsh mallow milk toast, with an agenda known only yo his Radical friends and Czars, etc.

    He is not one to back up anything that doesn't result in furthering his assault on the Constitution and the values our Nation has stood for for over 230 years.

    What is his end Game? I have no clue but in the last two year he has insulted the UK and Israel and Bowed and scared to Islamic countries that wish nothing more than our destruction.

    Why would he stand up to China for the Philippines where we no longer have much control.
    Find me a news article from some other President "getting tough with China" the last time the Philipeans and China had a spit over the South China sea, go ahead I'll wait.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So much for the tough talk from Obama during the campaign...

    Just goes to show, can't trust a Harvard Law grad... (we have the same problem here in Taiwan, BTW)
    US policy towards Taiwan has changed so little in the last 20 or so years I'd bet you'd have a hard time finding an instance of major change.
    U.S. Approval of Taiwan Arms Sales Angers China - NYTimes.com

    Here's a break down of all US arms sales to Taiwan since 1990, let it load and put 68 into the page number to see. Clearly there's been no meaningful change since 1990 of US arms sales to Taiwan, although the most recent one included F-16 components which hasn't happened since 1992. I don't credit Obama for that because I doubt that's motivated by anything other than just a need by Taiwan for those parts, not him actually being tougher.
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL30957.pdf
    So what do you want from Obama, talk that the US will defend Taiwan or the weapons to do so? Now I'll wait for a reversal that Obama is spending too much money on foreign aid, and this is a perfect example!

    My point? Obama isn't acting any tougher or selling Taiwan more, in fact its Taiwan who makes it sales requests not the US telling Taiwan "this is what we will sell you, and you must take it." But while the US stance regarding Taiwan isn't tougher under Obama, its certainly NOT weaker.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    US policy towards Taiwan has changed so little in the last 20 or so years I'd bet you'd have a hard time finding an instance of major change.
    U.S. Approval of Taiwan Arms Sales Angers China - NYTimes.com

    Here's a break down of all US arms sales to Taiwan since 1990, let it load and put 68 into the page number to see. Clearly there's been no meaningful change since 1990 of US arms sales to Taiwan, although the most recent one included F-16 components which hasn't happened since 1992. I don't credit Obama for that because I doubt that's motivated by anything other than just a need by Taiwan for those parts, not him actually being tougher.
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL30957.pdf
    So what do you want from Obama, talk that the US will defend Taiwan or the weapons to do so? Now I'll wait for a reversal that Obama is spending too much money on foreign aid, and this is a perfect example!

    My point? Obama isn't acting any tougher or selling Taiwan more, in fact its Taiwan who makes it sales requests not the US telling Taiwan "this is what we will sell you, and you must take it." But while the US stance regarding Taiwan isn't tougher under Obama, its certainly NOT weaker.
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, the U.S. needs to let China know in unambiguous terms how it views the South China sea. Ambiguity invites problems that affect multiple countries, as well as critical U.S. interests. A viable approach has to accommodate the needs of all the countries that border the South China Sea.
    Totally agree. Most of it is international waters and the U.S. must insist (as it traditionally has elsewhere) on the right of maritime nations to use that waterway. This is an important tenant of traditional international law and now clearly codified in the United Nations Law of the Sea (which, while the US lobbied hard to get that in there against the wishes of states like Canada and Indonesia, the US is not a party to the convention the last I checked). The U.S. needs to speak strongly on the rights of all littoral states to their EEZs as well and oppose Chinese aggression in the region. It is one of the world's busiest trade routes and certainly influences vital U.S. interests as well as the interests of other states...
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