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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    US policy towards Taiwan has changed so little in the last 20 or so years I'd bet you'd have a hard time finding an instance of major change.
    U.S. Approval of Taiwan Arms Sales Angers China - NYTimes.com

    Here's a break down of all US arms sales to Taiwan since 1990, let it load and put 68 into the page number to see. Clearly there's been no meaningful change since 1990 of US arms sales to Taiwan, although the most recent one included F-16 components which hasn't happened since 1992. I don't credit Obama for that because I doubt that's motivated by anything other than just a need by Taiwan for those parts, not him actually being tougher.
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL30957.pdf
    So what do you want from Obama, talk that the US will defend Taiwan or the weapons to do so? Now I'll wait for a reversal that Obama is spending too much money on foreign aid, and this is a perfect example!

    My point? Obama isn't acting any tougher or selling Taiwan more, in fact its Taiwan who makes it sales requests not the US telling Taiwan "this is what we will sell you, and you must take it." But while the US stance regarding Taiwan isn't tougher under Obama, its certainly NOT weaker.
    You completely missed what I was saying. The problem the U.S. and Taiwan have in common is both have a Harvard-Law educated president with rose colored glasses...
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You completely missed what I was saying. The problem the U.S. and Taiwan have in common is both have a Harvard-Law educated president with rose colored glasses...
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hope and change.
    I don't understand what you are getting at, are you making a point? Should Obama have changed every single thing, including policies I assume you support because they help keep China at bay? I hate to ask but is a no win situation for Obama? Should he have changed it and thus gotten your ire for changing a good policy, or not changed it and gotten your ire for, in your eyes, breaking a campaign slogan?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You completely missed what I was saying. The problem the U.S. and Taiwan have in common is both have a Harvard-Law educated president with rose colored glasses...
    O I thought you were talking about something in important, not meaningless trivia.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    O I thought you were talking about something in important, not meaningless trivia.
    Not meaningless... a lesson... no more presidents who graduated from Harvard Law
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not meaningless... a lesson... no more presidents who graduated from Harvard Law
    Are you seriously that sterotypical? And do you seriously base your opinion of people on such meaningless information?

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Well, I thought this was going to be an actual thread on policy, yet it looks like another meaningless "let's bash Obama thread." What is happening to this forum, seems rather than actual policy discussion amongst intelligent people, we simply get ever more childlike name calling and meaningless drivel.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Well, I thought this was going to be an actual thread on policy, yet it looks like another meaningless "let's bash Obama thread." What is happening to this forum, seems rather than actual policy discussion amongst intelligent people, we simply get ever more childlike name calling and meaningless drivel.
    Well, if President Obama -- who has at times said the right things about this situation -- will get out there and actually call China out for what he said he would during the campaign, as well as speak out against China's aggression in the South China Sea, I would be behind him on it...

    The fact is that the U.S. is not seen as being as reliable an ally in this part of the world as in the past and President Obama is part (not all) of the reason for that...
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Well, if President Obama -- who has at times said the right things about this situation -- will get out there and actually call China out for what he said he would during the campaign, as well as speak out against China's aggression in the South China Sea, I would be behind him on it...

    The fact is that the U.S. is not seen as being as reliable an ally in this part of the world as in the past and President Obama is part (not all) of the reason for that...
    Look at my information to the left of this post, my location is one of a very reliable ally, at least in my opinion. But what campaign pledge did Obama break regarding China and the South China sea, I'm curious.

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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Look at my information to the left of this post, my location is one of a very reliable ally, at least in my opinion. But what campaign pledge did Obama break regarding China and the South China sea, I'm curious.
    There were no promises specifically regarding the South China Sea that I can recall, but he did make many regarding China and even one regarding Taiwan as well...
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    Re: Philippines protests to China over oil rig plan

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Not meaningless... a lesson... no more presidents who graduated from Harvard Law
    It's funny how "Harvard Law Graduate" has morphed from meaning a top-tier attorney into a dysfunctional liberal loon. But it has, and it is.

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