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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, what evidence is there that the war on drugs isn't working? IOW, how much worse might it be, without drug enforcement?

    What it boils down to, is that there's no way to say, with any amount of credibility, that the WOD is a failure.

    For all the evidence you have that it's failed, I have as much evidence that it's been a smashing success and without it this country would be in far worse shape, as far as the social fabric is concerned. In fact, I have more evidence of such, because the illegal cigarette and alcohol industries are larger than the illegal drugs industry is and currently, alcohol and cigarettes are legal. How do you explain that?
    I see that you are an authoritarian conservative. It is highly unlikely you will listen to anything I have to say as I lack authority.

    Human beings have been aware of the psychoactive properties of marijuana and were enjoying them before and during the entire lifespan of our civilization.

    In fact, some form of most of the drugs being used today have some analogue that has accompanied us during our entire journey from the Savannah to now.

    Yet our civilization exists. Despite all the drugs that will destroy it, according to anti-drug claims.

    And the entire "war" has been a game of catch up the entire time. Whack a mole. Black markets are like that.

    Prohibition tends to create more problems than the behavior it is adopted to prevent. Along with rich criminals.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, what evidence is there that the war on drugs isn't working? IOW, how much worse might it be, without drug enforcement?

    What it boils down to, is that there's no way to say, with any amount of credibility, that the WOD is a failure.

    For all the evidence you have that it's failed, I have as much evidence that it's been a smashing success and without it this country would be in far worse shape, as far as the social fabric is concerned. In fact, I have more evidence of such, because the illegal cigarette and alcohol industries are larger than the illegal drugs industry is and currently, alcohol and cigarettes are legal. How do you explain that?
    Compare the violence during prohibition and after alcohol was legalized again in the U.S. I'm a pragmatist when it comes to drug use in the U.S. I think if the government legalizes marijuana and taxes it like they do alcohol, they increase tax revenue, stimulate the economy with increased jobs, and experience a sharp decline in crime related activities. It will also become much harder to acquire by those who are underage.

    So it's like alcohol, if you don't partake in it's consumption, that's your business.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What it boils down to, is that there's no way to say, with any amount of credibility, that the WOD is a failure.
    States are passing laws that go directly against the War On Drugs.

    That's a failure.

    Nobody wants the WOD except the government who makes a ****load of money off of arresting petty criminals, and the people who feel like me getting high is immoral. The latter is the same issue with gay rights, you can't tell me what I can and can't do with my own body.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Marijuana is psychologically addictive because of the THC.

    There's a delivery for ya. It's also 5 times more cancer causing than tobacco. Another delivery.
    It is NOT 5 times more cancer causing. It has 5 times the amount of certain selected carcinogens (such as tar). However, the incidence rate of cancers (esp. lung, and head and neck carcinomas) are statistically insignificant when isolated for marijuana use.

    There are numerous studies, papers, and ongoing research regarding the ant-tumor, and anti carcinogen properties of cannabinoids (including THC) found in marijuana. I have posted many of these studies here in threads at DP before, I do not have time to so so now though, I am waiting to get picked up to go kayaking, and could be heading out at any moment.

    But in a nutshell summation, inhaled MJ is not 5 times as likely to cause cancer than cigs despite having more carcinogens present, it seems it also has anticarcinogens that offset them.

    edit to add link to a previous post of mine that has several studies linked (there are many more):

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/health...post1059197232
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

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    War on drugs a bust: commission - World - CBC News



    You can find a link to the full report on the CBC website.

    This is big news on the international policy level. I am not at all surprised that American news sources are not talking about it (a co-worker forwarded it to me). The war on drugs has been a colossal waste mainly instigated and supported by private business interests.

    It's time to end the cycle of social destruction and bring back freedom to people's lives. Spain and Portugal have both legalized small possession of all drugs and their drug use rate has been dropping like a stone. You give people agency and transparency, and they use it. What a shocker.

    At the same time, keep targeting the drug lords who are bringing violence and destruction to our society. The best way to do that is to greatly reduce their black market.

    The solution has been obvious for decades now but it is now reaching a cresendo. I expect this report to be buried because it speaks the truth, but I thought it was worth bringing up so that people know there is GLOBAL recognition that the UN drug policy (mainly a carbon copy of the U.S. DEA policy) has been a dismal failure with dire consequences.
    We need to stop treating drugs as if they were a criminal problem and start treating drugs as what they actually are, a health problem. If we did this, the prison population would decrease greatly and save taxpayers loads of cash.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, what evidence is there that the war on drugs isn't working? IOW, how much worse might it be, without drug enforcement?

    What it boils down to, is that there's no way to say, with any amount of credibility, that the WOD is a failure.

    For all the evidence you have that it's failed, I have as much evidence that it's been a smashing success and without it this country would be in far worse shape, as far as the social fabric is concerned. In fact, I have more evidence of such, because the illegal cigarette and alcohol industries are larger than the illegal drugs industry is and currently, alcohol and cigarettes are legal. How do you explain that?
    So, I take it you'll stop suggesting that the stimulus package failed? Since we don't have evidence that the country would be doing better without it.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We already have oral ingestion of THC. Dronabinol is a prescription drug that is THC. It's a controlled substance and may only be obtained via a prescription from a doctor and the dispensing/approval of a pharmacist. Nonetheless, it's a controlled substance and as such it should (and is) illegal to use without a prescription.
    Hate to get all conspiracy-ish here, but that post completely proves the previous one:

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    There is no war on drugs. You are legally allowed to get as high as you want on as many drugs as you want as long as you buy your drugs from Big Pharma instead of a Mexican cartel.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    Coffee has benzopyrene, and much more of based upon comparative consumption. Should the Mexican cartel take over the coffee bean market too? Any one want to buy a kilo of Organic Arabica?
    What price?

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, I take it you'll stop suggesting that the stimulus package failed? Since we don't have evidence that the country would be doing better without it.
    I think it's purdy obvious that the stealfromus package is a flop.

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