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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I know what benzopyrene is. And you didn't answer the rest of my post. The amount of "smoking" done by Marijuana smokers is extremely less than that of a cigarette or cigar smoker. That's why this report correctly identifies tobacco as more harmful than cannabis.

    Not will, can, by the way.
    Marijuana has 50% more benzopyrene in it than a cigarette. Also
    The daily use of 1 to 3 marijuana joints appears to produce approximately the same lung damage and potential cancer risk as smoking 5 times as many cigarettes. (UCLA)
    Source:Marijuana In The Body - A Fact Sheet On The Effects Of Marijuana | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Benzopyrene will lodge itself into your DNA. It may not cause cancer, but just like cigarettes it can cause cancer and the risk is significantly higher. Marijuana isn't the healthy drug that people want to misrepresent it as. It may have a high tolerance in regards to toxicity, but it isn't healthy.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatSandeno View Post
    Does Marijuana Cause Cancer? | Psychology Today

    "To date, no large scale, epidemiological studies exist demonstrating a correlation between THC and cancer. During the early 1980s, Kaiser Permanente studied over 65,000 patients with a ten-year follow-up. About half of these patients, admitted to having tried marijuana. One hundred eighty- two tobacco related cancers were found but no effects of marijuana use on the risk of cancer. This study has some important limitations. First, the marijuana smokers were young (15 to 39), their usage was relatively light, and the follow-up period was short.

    However, Tashkin's (2005) research at UCLA-MC showed increased redness, swelling, and white blood cell count in regular marijuana users. Furthermore, because marijuana smoke is very similar to cigarette smoke, it seems quite likely that long term effects may be the same. Doll et al. (2005) conducted a 50 year follow-up study of 40,000 volunteers and showed that half of all regular cigarette smokers eventually die of lung, mouth, throat, larynx, pancreatic or bladder cancer or asthma or emphysemas (Doll, 2005). It may be that cannabis, too, will prove lethal and it is just a matter of time."

    Basically, as of now there is absolutely no proof linking marijuana to cancer. Assuming people have been smoking marijuana for a quite a lengthy period of time, I don't see too much of a reason as to why cancer instances would suddenly spike.
    Did you read what you quoted? Look at the second paragraph. THC is the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, I doubt that will cause cancer. However, smoking marijuana may cause cancer as the second paragraph and my source also points out.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Agreed. Gotta start somewhere. I always have quite a laugh when people say weed is too dangerous to legalize, but they think enoying a nice stiff drink is fine. Remind me, which one of these 2 substances is connected to aggression? Which one of these 2 substances is one of the only drugs where the withdrawals alone can kill you (the other being heroin)? Oh yes, alcohol.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, how do we know that The War on Drugs isn't working?
    Drugs are still easy to find and use.
    Hell one of the best places to get them, is at school.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marijuana has 50% more benzopyrene in it than a cigarette. Also
    Source:Marijuana In The Body - A Fact Sheet On The Effects Of Marijuana | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Benzopyrene will lodge itself into your DNA. It may not cause cancer, but just like cigarettes it can cause cancer and the risk is significantly higher. Marijuana isn't the healthy drug that people want to misrepresent it as. It may have a high tolerance in regards to toxicity, but it isn't healthy.




    Did you read what you quoted? Look at the second paragraph. THC is the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, I doubt that will cause cancer. However, smoking marijuana may cause cancer as the second paragraph and my source also points out.
    potheads are on it! Check out "vaporization".

    No combustion, so no benzopyrene.

    Much more economical.

    Better smell, lingers for a shorter time.

    There's also about as many methods of oral ingestion as you can imagine.

    Problem solved.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    potheads are on it! Check out "vaporization".

    No combustion, so no benzopyrene.

    Much more economical.

    Better smell, lingers for a shorter time.

    There's also about as many methods of oral ingestion as you can imagine.

    Problem solved.
    We already have oral ingestion of THC. Dronabinol is a prescription drug that is THC. It's a controlled substance and may only be obtained via a prescription from a doctor and the dispensing/approval of a pharmacist. Nonetheless, it's a controlled substance and as such it should (and is) illegal to use without a prescription.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We already have oral ingestion of THC. Dronabinol is a prescription drug that is THC. It's a controlled substance and may only be obtained via a prescription from a doctor and the dispensing/approval of a pharmacist. Nonetheless, it's a controlled substance and as such it should (and is) illegal to use without a prescription.
    I'm willing to bet that far more people use without a prescription, than with.
    People shouldn't do all sorts of things, like eating to much, but they do anyway.

    Should these things also be illegal?
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Did you read what you quoted? Look at the second paragraph. THC is the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, I doubt that will cause cancer. However, smoking marijuana may cause cancer as the second paragraph and my source also points out.
    Yes, and like many others it has to use words such as "may". Like I said, it has yet to be proven.

    In my personal opinion, if it hasn't reared its ugly head as of now, why would it anytime in the future?

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Drugs are still easy to find and use.
    Hell one of the best places to get them, is at school.
    But, what evidence is there that the war on drugs isn't working? IOW, how much worse might it be, without drug enforcement?

    What it boils down to, is that there's no way to say, with any amount of credibility, that the WOD is a failure.

    For all the evidence you have that it's failed, I have as much evidence that it's been a smashing success and without it this country would be in far worse shape, as far as the social fabric is concerned. In fact, I have more evidence of such, because the illegal cigarette and alcohol industries are larger than the illegal drugs industry is and currently, alcohol and cigarettes are legal. How do you explain that?

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    You must live in a rural area. The war on drugs fuels crime, just like prohibition. Thinking other wise is delusional, willful ignorance, or being part of the problem.
    Did the end of prohibition mean the end of the illegal liquir business? The answer would be, no.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marijuana has 50% more benzopyrene in it than a cigarette. Also
    Source:Marijuana In The Body - A Fact Sheet On The Effects Of Marijuana | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Benzopyrene will lodge itself into your DNA. It may not cause cancer, but just like cigarettes it can cause cancer and the risk is significantly higher. Marijuana isn't the healthy drug that people want to misrepresent it as. It may have a high tolerance in regards to toxicity, but it isn't healthy.




    Did you read what you quoted? Look at the second paragraph. THC is the psychoactive chemical in marijuana, I doubt that will cause cancer. However, smoking marijuana may cause cancer as the second paragraph and my source also points out.
    Sorry, you still fail to deliver on your justification for the illegality of marijuana, though you have a point, we all know THC is not cancerous. Marijuana is not physically addictive. Of all the polls done, the majority of marijuana smokers are people who smoke it a few times a month and that's it. Daily marijuana smokers are in extremely low numbers and that's been proven time and time again. Nicotine = physically addictive = requiring more cigarettes = more chance for a mutation in DNA = more chance for cancer. Cannabis = not physically addictive, smoken very moderately by the majority of users, and the amount of benzopyrene is pretty negligible, once again considering cigarettes are smoken in much huger quantities and more frequently due to the physical addiction.

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