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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, how do we know that The War on Drugs isn't working?
    What is the intended result?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Well, I think we all agree this is the most obvious statement ever. So the question is, do you think the gov cares, and what do you think the real solution is?

    For my part, no I don't think the gov cares, and I don't think anything will change in the near future, though possibly in the mid-term future.

    So, solution. What's yours?

    I've always been for legalizing drugs and just ending this stupid war against human nature all together, but a friend of mine told me his idea which I think has a lot of merit so I've sort of blended it into mine and I'm working out the bugs.

    Make use legal, but not necessarily easy, and not necessarily re-sale. For meth, heroin, and crack ("the big three"), make them available by prescription which is extremely difficult to get. Make their re-sale a simple misdemeanor - no time. My friend originally wanted use to also be a minor crime, but I would like to have harm-reduction like facilities for their use, which are proven to lower crime and increase addicts going to rehab. I think it would work better. For all other drugs, legal for use and legitimate sale and re-sale.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Well, I think we all agree this is the most obvious statement ever. So the question is, do you think the gov cares, and what do you think the real solution is?

    For my part, no I don't think the gov cares, and I don't think anything will change in the near future, though possibly in the mid-term future.

    So, solution. What's yours?

    I've always been for legalizing drugs and just ending this stupid war against human nature all together, but a friend of mine told me his idea which I think has a lot of merit so I've sort of blended it into mine and I'm working out the bugs.

    Make use legal, but not necessarily easy, and not necessarily re-sale. For meth, heroin, and crack ("the big three"), make them available by prescription which is extremely difficult to get. Make their re-sale a simple misdemeanor - no time. My friend originally wanted use to also be a minor crime, but I would like to have harm-reduction like facilities for their use, which are proven to lower crime and increase addicts going to rehab. I think it would work better. For all other drugs, legal for use and legitimate sale and re-sale.
    Meth and crack are both sched 2 and cannabis is sched 1. How about we work on that first?

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Meth and crack are both sched 2 and cannabis is sched 1. How about we work on that first?
    Agreed. Gotta start somewhere. I always have quite a laugh when people say weed is too dangerous to legalize, but they think enoying a nice stiff drink is fine. Remind me, which one of these 2 substances is connected to aggression? Which one of these 2 substances is one of the only drugs where the withdrawals alone can kill you (the other being heroin)? Oh yes, alcohol.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Agreed. Gotta start somewhere. I always have quite a laugh when people say weed is too dangerous to legalize, but they think enoying a nice stiff drink is fine. Remind me, which one of these 2 substances is connected to aggression? Which one of these 2 substances is one of the only drugs where the withdrawals alone can kill you (the other being heroin)? Oh yes, alcohol.
    Which of these two has actually been attributed to a death before... hmm?

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Marijuana is indeed a dangerous drug. Benzopyrene is not your friend, nor do your lungs appreciate it.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marijuana is indeed a dangerous drug. Benzopyrene is not your friend, nor do your lungs appreciate it.
    Elaborate on how it is worse than alcohol. Explain to me why this report says that Marijuana is less harmful than tobacco.

    And with more potent strains of Marijuana existing today, the lung damage is extremely minimal. You can inhale twice from a bong and get the same high you would from smoking an entire joint 30 years ago.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Elaborate. And with more potent strains of Marijuana existing today, the lung damage is extremely minimal. You can inhale once from a gravity bong and get the same high you would from smoking an entire joint 30 years ago.
    Benzopyrene is an extremely powerful carcinogen and is found in high amounts in marijuana. It will cause lung cancer.
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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Benzopyrene is an extremely powerful carcinogen and is found in high amounts in marijuana. It will cause lung cancer.
    I know what benzopyrene is. And you didn't answer the rest of my post. The amount of "smoking" done by Marijuana smokers is extremely less than that of a cigarette or cigar smoker. That's why this report correctly identifies tobacco as more harmful than cannabis.

    Not will, can, by the way.

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    Re: War on drugs a bust: commission

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Marijuana is indeed a dangerous drug. Benzopyrene is not your friend, nor do your lungs appreciate it.
    Does Marijuana Cause Cancer? | Psychology Today

    "To date, no large scale, epidemiological studies exist demonstrating a correlation between THC and cancer. During the early 1980s, Kaiser Permanente studied over 65,000 patients with a ten-year follow-up. About half of these patients, admitted to having tried marijuana. One hundred eighty- two tobacco related cancers were found but no effects of marijuana use on the risk of cancer. This study has some important limitations. First, the marijuana smokers were young (15 to 39), their usage was relatively light, and the follow-up period was short.

    However, Tashkin's (2005) research at UCLA-MC showed increased redness, swelling, and white blood cell count in regular marijuana users. Furthermore, because marijuana smoke is very similar to cigarette smoke, it seems quite likely that long term effects may be the same. Doll et al. (2005) conducted a 50 year follow-up study of 40,000 volunteers and showed that half of all regular cigarette smokers eventually die of lung, mouth, throat, larynx, pancreatic or bladder cancer or asthma or emphysemas (Doll, 2005). It may be that cannabis, too, will prove lethal and it is just a matter of time."

    Basically, as of now there is absolutely no proof linking marijuana to cancer. Assuming people have been smoking marijuana for a quite a lengthy period of time, I don't see too much of a reason as to why cancer instances would suddenly spike.

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