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More Job Seekers Give Up

Jobs for illegals must be getting tough to find now too. I mean there can't be but so many jobs that no one wants to do.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I just wish those lazy people would get off their buts and take the jobs I am told are out their if the look for them, rather then have people blame the government for not providing them jobs
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Before the turn of the century, most of my life, the ratio has been about 1:1 job seekers to jobs available.
But, what if the rate at which jobs became available was slower than the rate at which people became separated from their jobs?
Could this have any impact on the situation?
The BLS is still saying that there more people who are seeking work than there are jobs-- ~13.9mil competing for ~3.2mil jobs, ~4:1.
 
at mcdonalds, according to cbs chicago, it's TWENTY to one

worry
 
The Prof said:
the public sector has been shedding jobs faster than a german shepherd in summer---28000 this month, 24000 in april, 14000 in march, 30000 in february, 14000 in january, 10000 in december, 11000 in november, 8000 in october, 159000 in september (after the census), 121000 in august...

fyi

and THAT aspect of our emasculating economy, this severe slashing of public payroll, is only gonna get a whole lot worse starting just about now---ask cuomo in new york, moonbeam in CA, the state assemblies in massachusetts and springfield, bing and bobb in detroit...

let alone the republican governors of ohio and wisconsin and florida and jersey and indiana...

you may appreciate the need for austerity, you may oppose this anti-keynesian craze...

but there's nothing anyone can to do stop it, as inevitable as physics
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Proof that some on the right are dying for something to cry about.

We spend too much!

The public sector(ie the government) is reducing jobs!

Which do you want, less government spending and as a result fewer public sector jobs, or more government spending for more government jobs?
 
what i do or don't want has nothing to do with physics

grow up
 
pbrauer said:
If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush, it was during his administration the economy went south.
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Most of the blame lies with Bush. Obama's failure is more of a failure to make things better, rather than actively making things worse. Essentially, we needed a great president, like another Roosevelt (either one would be fine). Instead, we just got an OK president, like another Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Obama would have done fine during better times, but he's just not equiped to handle the current situation.
 
Lets review a few realities. The HealthCare Reform Act that was passed increases the taxed amounts via employers by as much as the largest current tax. This increases the outlay per employee, even at minimum wage by almost 3k per employee.

We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge, yet the industry is continually blamed for high gas prices when nothing is being done to increase supply domestically. As well we havent built a new refinery in 35 years. Another bottleneck to supply. These forces in turn are increasing costs across the board in commodities so the raw goods needed to drive the economy continue to go up. Not to mention the ethanol subsidy that causes gasoline and the corn market to go up at the same time. Which causes increases in the beef, hog and chicken markets because most animal meal is corn based.

Right now, we have a multitude of bad policies.

For instance, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar reported the losses that would result from the healthcare act changes and Waxman wanted to call them in to testify before his committee for statements they were required to make by law? If I had that sort of antagonistic behavior from the party with the power in congress, Id be leary of sticking my neck out to grow my company as well.

The climate for business right now in this country is antagonistic, regulation and compliance heavy with a smaller upside than any time in its history, and people seriously wonder why we have job creation problems? Run a business, you will know why.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Lets review a few realities. The HealthCare Reform Act that was passed increases the taxed amounts via employers by as much as the largest current tax. This increases the outlay per employee, even at minimum wage by almost 3k per employee.

We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge, yet the industry is continually blamed for high gas prices when nothing is being done to increase supply domestically. As well we havent built a new refinery in 35 years. Another bottleneck to supply. These forces in turn are increasing costs across the board in commodities so the raw goods needed to drive the economy continue to go up. Not to mention the ethanol subsidy that causes gasoline and the corn market to go up at the same time. Which causes increases in the beef, hog and chicken markets because most animal meal is corn based.

Right now, we have a multitude of bad policies.

For instance, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar reported the losses that would result from the healthcare act changes and Waxman wanted to call them in to testify before his committee for statements they were required to make by law? If I had that sort of antagonistic behavior from the party with the power in congress, Id be leary of sticking my neck out to grow my company as well.

The climate for business right now in this country is antagonistic, regulation and compliance heavy with a smaller upside than any time in its history, and people seriously wonder why we have job creation problems? Run a business, you will know why.
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I don't disagree, except with the bit about oil. If Obama gave permission for new drilling today, we wouldnt see any actual new oil for at least a few years. What we need are more electric cars, and more nuke plants to power them.
 
OpportunityCost said:
We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge,
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Simply not true. More wells are scheduled for drilling now than any other point in history. Problem is, they aren't drilling.
 
Badmutha said:
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So its all Bush's fault....still.....
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Prove that it isn't. The economy went south during his term, not Obama's.

We saw a great amount of jobs last month (250k I believe?). If this continues for the next 3 months, then maybe there is a problem. Otherwise, I don't see any problems here.
 
The Prof said:
the public sector has been shedding jobs faster than a german shepherd in summer---28000 this month, 24000 in april, 14000 in march, 30000 in february, 14000 in january, 10000 in december, 11000 in november, 8000 in october, 159000 in september (after the census), 121000 in august...

fyi

and THAT aspect of our emasculating economy, this severe slashing of public payroll, is only gonna get a whole lot worse starting just about now---ask cuomo in new york, moonbeam in CA, the state assemblies in massachusetts and springfield, bing and bobb in detroit...

let alone the republican governors of ohio and wisconsin and florida and jersey and indiana...

you may appreciate the need for austerity, you may oppose this anti-keynesian craze...

but there's nothing anyone can to do stop it, as inevitable as physics
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Can you provide some sort of evidence/data that shows these jobs were anything but temporary? You see, that is the point of fiscal stimulus; a temporary hand-off from the private to the public sector until they are (once again) ready to take the reigns.

Why have you failed to consider private sector nonperformance, or are markets really just a talking point?
 
Gargantuan said:
Prove that it isn't. The economy went south during his term, not Obama's.
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Good gawd man......Trillions and almost three years into The Kenyan-Irish Tyrant's one and done term.........

.......well whenever it becomes Obama's Economy.......whenever Obama becomes accountable for something....for the first time in his adult life.........

..........please let us know.

We saw a great amount of jobs last month (250k I believe?). If this continues for the next 3 months, then maybe there is a problem. Otherwise, I don't see any problems here.
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Well pretty soon its going to be blatantly obvious.........so dont give Jimmy Carter a third term.
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atrasicarius said:
Obama would have done fine during better times, but he's just not equiped to handle the current situation.
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there's a lot of truth in that, this president is absolutely NOT up to today's insuperable problems

tuff times demand leadership, which requires the right vision and the know how to get it done

this guy can't even produce a budget in 3 years---in times like these

he should be embarrassed

he went to ohio today, didn't mention this job report

President Obama didn't mention Friday's weak jobs report in his speech at a Chrysler plant in Ohio, instead choosing to talk about the recovery of the auto industry.

Josh Earnest, a White House spokesman, told reporters on the flight to Toledo that Obama "will talk about the jobs numbers."

But one of the only allusions Obama made to the bleak report was when he said that "we're going to pass through some rough terrain that even a Wrangler would have a hard time with." (The Chrysler workers, who make the Wrangler at that plant, responded by booing and heckling him.)

"A Wrangler can go over anything, huh?" Obama retorted.

Obama stopped by a hardware store after his speech, which gave the AP's Jim Kuhnhenn a chance to shout a question at him about the jobs numbers. According to the pool, Obama ignored it.
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Obama ignores jobs report | POLITICO 44
 
During an unscheduled stop at Fred's Hardware near the Chrysler plant in Toledo, Ohio, President Obama ignored a shouted question from the AP's Jim Kuhnhenn about Friday's dismal jobs report. It was that kind of day.

"We are going to get some gloves for the first lady's garden," Obama said. "She's got long fingers," he added before picking up two pairs of green gloves and taking them to the cash register.

Despite assurances from the White House that Obama would address the latest unemployment numbers in his speech at a Chrysler plant, he made no mention of it. Instead, the trip provided plenty of upbeat, campaign-style distractions: Obama buying gardening gloves, Obama getting thanks for saving Chrysler jobs, Obama hugging workers in "Obama" T-shirts, Obama eating a chili dog.

"Now, for those of you who I’ve met up close, I just want you to know that I stopped by Rudy’s," Obama said in the speech in which he didn't mention the jobs report. "Had two hot dogs, two chili dogs with onions. So I’ve been looking for a mint backstage."

The event was organized by the White House, which has strictly limited access to the president for months. During a week overseas, he took three questions from White House press -- one in Warsaw, and two in London. His last press availability at the White House was April 5, and then he only called on four reporters.

On Friday, he took no questions and failed to address the rise in the unemployment rate to 9.1 percent. But the day wasn't a total waste. One of the pool reports noted the president's motorcade took them past a chain link fence with a message spelled out in styrofoam cups: "Toledo Chrysler Thanks You."
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Job numbers? What job numbers? | POLITICO 44

embarrassed yet?
 
whom does cuomo blame?

"we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

"the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

"the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

"an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

"not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

"the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

"new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

"what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

"this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

"the old way wasn’t working anyway, let's be honest"

"we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

"what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

"and that’s what’s going to make us the empire state again"

"at the heart of this state is business"

"we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

"we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

"west chester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

"it has to end, it has to end this year"

"we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

"put it simply the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

"we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

leadership, anyone?
 
The US added just 54,000 jobs in May, confirming fears that the recovery of the world’s largest economy has stalled.

The rise in payrolls was far smaller than the 165,000 forecast by economists in a Bloomberg poll, and also well below this year’s average monthly gain of 182,000. The unemployment rate rose by a 10th of a percentage point to 9.1 per cent.

Job creation was weak in almost every sector of the economy, pointing to a general slowdown in growth that could threaten President Barack Obama‘s re-election prospects next year.

The data will also raise fears of a ‘double dip’ recession , although it is more likely that the economy will continue to grow at an anaemic pace.

Part of the decline may reflect disruption to supply chains caused by the Japanese tsunami in March. While manufacturing employment fell by 5,000 in the first decline since October, parts shortages would be more likely to lead to fewer shifts than to outright lay-offs.

The recent rise in oil and food prices – and the resulting damage to consumption and business confidence – is a more likely explanation for Friday’s weak job numbers.
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FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - Jobs data stoke US recovery fears
 
Americans are growing increasingly doubtful about direction of the US economy, according to the latest survey from business-advisory firm AlixPartners.

In fact, an increasing number, some 61 percent, say they don't expect to return to their respective pre-recession lifestyles until the spring of 2014, if ever.

What's worse, a full 10 percent said they expect they will never return to pre-recession spending.

That's a more pessimistic view than last year, when those surveyed expected that they could be back to pre-recession spending levels by the middle of 2013.

The latest employment report, which showed that U.S. employers hired far few workers than expected in May, only serves to reinforce these attitudes.

In the latest survey, some 63 percent of Americans said they feel "not good" or "bad" about the state of the US economy, representing a significant increase from May 2010 when only about 49 percent of those polled felt this gloomy.

The survey also found that Americans overwhelmingly expect to delay by at least 12 months major purchases and expenditures such as spending on new cars, home repairs and vacations.

While some analysts used a number of excuses, including high gasoline prices, poor weather, and lackluster merchandise, to explain away the disappointing results, the findings of the survey may suggest that consumers are hunkering down amid the uncertainty.
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More Americans Think Economy Will Never Recover: CNBC

hunker down, homies, it looks like it's gonna be awhile
 
great policy on the those "shovel ready jobs", not going over 8 percent was it?? right...this administration has "fail" written all over it
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Did the public sector lay off millions of people? Was it the public sector that could not fund their daily operations because of a credit constraint created by the public sector?

No. The private sector failed as the bankruptcy tolls of 2008, 2009, and 2010 suggest.

If this is the best you can offer, next time i think ill pass....
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It all happened because the government cocked everything up.
 
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