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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    what i do or don't want has nothing to do with physics

    grow up

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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what i do or don't want has nothing to do with physics

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    Neither does the economy. Nice try though.
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    If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush, it was during his administration the economy went south.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush, it was during his administration the economy went south.
    Most of the blame lies with Bush. Obama's failure is more of a failure to make things better, rather than actively making things worse. Essentially, we needed a great president, like another Roosevelt (either one would be fine). Instead, we just got an OK president, like another Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter. Obama would have done fine during better times, but he's just not equiped to handle the current situation.
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    Lets review a few realities. The HealthCare Reform Act that was passed increases the taxed amounts via employers by as much as the largest current tax. This increases the outlay per employee, even at minimum wage by almost 3k per employee.

    We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge, yet the industry is continually blamed for high gas prices when nothing is being done to increase supply domestically. As well we havent built a new refinery in 35 years. Another bottleneck to supply. These forces in turn are increasing costs across the board in commodities so the raw goods needed to drive the economy continue to go up. Not to mention the ethanol subsidy that causes gasoline and the corn market to go up at the same time. Which causes increases in the beef, hog and chicken markets because most animal meal is corn based.

    Right now, we have a multitude of bad policies.

    For instance, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar reported the losses that would result from the healthcare act changes and Waxman wanted to call them in to testify before his committee for statements they were required to make by law? If I had that sort of antagonistic behavior from the party with the power in congress, Id be leary of sticking my neck out to grow my company as well.

    The climate for business right now in this country is antagonistic, regulation and compliance heavy with a smaller upside than any time in its history, and people seriously wonder why we have job creation problems? Run a business, you will know why.

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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Lets review a few realities. The HealthCare Reform Act that was passed increases the taxed amounts via employers by as much as the largest current tax. This increases the outlay per employee, even at minimum wage by almost 3k per employee.

    We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge, yet the industry is continually blamed for high gas prices when nothing is being done to increase supply domestically. As well we havent built a new refinery in 35 years. Another bottleneck to supply. These forces in turn are increasing costs across the board in commodities so the raw goods needed to drive the economy continue to go up. Not to mention the ethanol subsidy that causes gasoline and the corn market to go up at the same time. Which causes increases in the beef, hog and chicken markets because most animal meal is corn based.

    Right now, we have a multitude of bad policies.

    For instance, anyone remember when John Deere and Caterpillar reported the losses that would result from the healthcare act changes and Waxman wanted to call them in to testify before his committee for statements they were required to make by law? If I had that sort of antagonistic behavior from the party with the power in congress, Id be leary of sticking my neck out to grow my company as well.

    The climate for business right now in this country is antagonistic, regulation and compliance heavy with a smaller upside than any time in its history, and people seriously wonder why we have job creation problems? Run a business, you will know why.
    I don't disagree, except with the bit about oil. If Obama gave permission for new drilling today, we wouldnt see any actual new oil for at least a few years. What we need are more electric cars, and more nuke plants to power them.
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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    We have an oil industry that cannot get permits to actually drill where we know there is oil because the President wont sign permits that he has been ordered to by a judge,
    Simply not true. More wells are scheduled for drilling now than any other point in history. Problem is, they aren't drilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush, it was during his administration the economy went south.
    you can blame anyone you want

    but you're not gonna be able to stop it

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    as inexorable as phsyics

    who do you blame for gravity?

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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    If you want to blame anyone, blame Bush,


    So its all Bush's fault....still.....
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    Re: More Job Seekers Give Up

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
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    So its all Bush's fault....still.....
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    Prove that it isn't. The economy went south during his term, not Obama's.

    We saw a great amount of jobs last month (250k I believe?). If this continues for the next 3 months, then maybe there is a problem. Otherwise, I don't see any problems here.

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