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    Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    In some ways, this would have seemed a no-brainer. While it got some political challenges, it seems headed for Constitutional muster as well.

    (CNN) -- Saying it is "unfair for Florida taxpayers to subsidize drug addiction," Gov. Rick Scott on Tuesday signed legislation requiring adults applying for welfare assistance to undergo drug screening.

    "It's the right thing for taxpayers," Scott said after signing the measure. "It's the right thing for citizens of this state that need public assistance. We don't want to waste tax dollars. And also, we want to give people an incentive to not use drugs."

    more: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure - CNN.com
    I would like to think that this shoul dbe common-sense policy nationwide for anyone on any government assistance, to include those getting a government paycheck of any sort.

    Constitutional claims or not, I think this one hard to oppose politically. Of course, I am for the legalization of all drugs, with conditions, but would still want drug testing mandated regardless.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In some ways, this would have seemed a no-brainer. While it got some political challenges, it seems headed for Constitutional muster as well.



    I would like to think that this shoul dbe common-sense policy nationwide for anyone on any government assistance, to include those getting a government paycheck of any sort.

    Constitutional claims or not, I think this one hard to oppose politically. Of course, I am for the legalization of all drugs, with conditions, but would still want drug testing mandated regardless.
    It's social engineering. Social engineering, isn't that a conservative term? Interesting that you have a conservative governor imposing social engineering on citizens. The logistics would be difficult and costly as hell. The idea is also discriminatory against poor people. If it is applied it should then be applied fairly and therefore all employees of any business that receives state money should also be drug tested including corporate officers, boards of directors, and lobbyists. Make it just.

    If the point is that state money may finance drug abuse then any and all state money may finance drug abuse. Test anyone who receives money from the state or test no one that receives money from the state. That also includes state legislature and staff. I don't see that offing happening, do you?

    The proposed Florida law is just another attempt to separate the wealthy and powerful from everyone else, class warfare.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's social engineering. Social engineering, isn't that a conservative term? Interesting that you have a conservative governor imposing social engineering on citizens. The logistics would be difficult and costly as hell. The idea is also discriminatory against poor people. If it is applied it should then be applied fairly and therefore all employees of any business that receives state money should also be drug tested including corporate officers, boards of directors, and lobbyists. Make it just.

    If the point is that state money may finance drug abuse then any and all state money may finance drug abuse. Test anyone who receives money from the state or test no one that receives money from the state. That also includes state legislature and staff. I don't see that offing happening, do you?

    The proposed Florida law is just another attempt to separate the wealthy and powerful from everyone else, class warfare.
    I see zero rational support in your argument. No work is performed for this welfare. Its free if you ask for it, and then qualify. Don't do drugs, and you can get free stuff paid for by those who earn their money.

    It is that simple.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I think the cost of drug testing is going to cost much more than amount we will be saving from those that do use drugs. This has actually already been touched on in another thread specific to Florida. If it would save money, or if the drug testing itself was free then I would probably be all for it, but it is most likely going to waste money and not be effective. I think it is just Rick Scott trying to make money for his business.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In some ways, this would have seemed a no-brainer. While it got some political challenges, it seems headed for Constitutional muster as well.



    I would like to think that this shoul dbe common-sense policy nationwide for anyone on any government assistance, to include those getting a government paycheck of any sort.

    Constitutional claims or not, I think this one hard to oppose politically. Of course, I am for the legalization of all drugs, with conditions, but would still want drug testing mandated regardless.
    Florida is going to see a massive increase in crime and imprisonment in the next few years.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Florida is going to see a massive increase in crime and imprisonment in the next few years.
    Based on what ? Any thing to document this ? Ouija Board ? Magic Eight Ball ?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Based on what ? Any thing to document this ? Ouija Board ? Magic Eight Ball ?
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more.

    I'm not saying that this was a good or bad move, simply pointing out the reality of where this is going. Every action in the war on drugs ends with more people in prison and more tax dollar money going to pay for it.

    Also, Scott is going to profit off this immensely. Drug tests are not free. My employer paid $30 for my last one. They are also dehumanizing. Can you imagine having someone watch you take piss just so you could get money for food?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more.

    I'm not saying that this was a good or bad move, simply pointing out the reality of where this is going. Every action in the war on drugs ends with more people in prison and more tax dollar money going to pay for it.

    Also, Scott is going to profit off this immensely. Drug tests are not free. My employer paid $30 for my last one. They are also dehumanizing. Can you imagine having someone watch you take piss just so you could get money for food?
    ...This is also supported by the results of harm reduction programs. They give addicts the resources they need to 1. not die of their habits and 2. receive help. They reduce crime and increase the rates of addicts going to rehab.

    But people don't like it because they have some sort of sadistic desire to punish addicts. They don't care if that hurts the society they have to live in.

    If they insist on drug testing, they should simply use it as a criteria of what help to offer, not a disqualifier for recieving help at all. Society at large loses when we try to punish addicts. Crime will indeed go up, and people will not recover from their addictions at the rate they could be if they were recieving help and if we had harm reduction programs.

    I'm sorry if it goes against people's desires to punish addicts. But it simply works better.

    There's also the question of how much these tests will cost, how much potential they have to bankrupt the system completely, and the ethics of a government official being a beneficiary of the drug testing company they happen to be employing. Oh my.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In some ways, this would have seemed a no-brainer. While it got some political challenges, it seems headed for Constitutional muster as well.



    I would like to think that this shoul dbe common-sense policy nationwide for anyone on any government assistance, to include those getting a government paycheck of any sort.

    Constitutional claims or not, I think this one hard to oppose politically. Of course, I am for the legalization of all drugs, with conditions, but would still want drug testing mandated regardless.
    I"ve always said that if we're going to drug test welfare recipients we should also drug test our politicians as well as the employees, managers, and executives of any business that receives a government contract.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

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    Those who fail the required drug testing may designate another individual to receive the benefits on behalf of their children.
    So, this is aid directed at children, not adults, and the adult has to prove to be drug free in order to qualify.

    It does make some sense, as giving money to drug addicts in order for them to take care of children is tantamount to pissing it away.

    I wonder if the designated individual has to be drug tested as well?
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