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Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

I'm not saying it's a war on the poor. I'm saying that I don't believe this large scale information search and databasing is proper power of the government.

Well others have insinuated as much in this thread.

I see it just like any place of employment. If the institution that is paying you wants to drug test you, then that is the right of that institution. Doesn't matter if it is private or government. Don't want to be drug tested by the government? Don't ask them for a check.
 
It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more.

The threat of criminal behavior doesn't justify public funding to perpetuate addictions.

It would be better to offer substance abuse treatment...

They aren't already offered treatment?
 
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This is just further stigma against the poor. One day it's the rich's fault for ruining the economy, the next it's the poor's. Honestly, Walker did this to score political points. It's not really going to change the situation. People relying on this safety net are going to fall through now and become more prone to crime, even if they are addicts.

The war on drugs is the problem here. But I suppose Walker will get kick backs now from all the additional people being sent to prison. And the public pays on average $50-70k per year for each inmate. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well in America today - it's called the prison system.
 
Because it's government granted assistance. It's not a job you're doing. You're not applying for a position. I'd like to keep constant monitoring of the People by the government to the smallest value possible.

The entire application process is voluntary. If they won't pass the drug test then they shouldn't apply for the free govt handouts. If you are going to take taxpayer money then you have to live by the taxpayer chosen stipulations for that money. You do not have a right to it. It was taken from people who worked for it. How dare you not only force people to give others their money but also tell them they can't put whatever stipulations they want on it? You seem to forget who funds these govt programs.

One reason why I can't stand liberals.
 
This is just further stigma against the poor. One day it's the rich's fault for ruining the economy, the next it's the poor's. Honestly, Walker did this to score political points. It's not really going to change the situation. People relying on this safety net are going to fall through now and become more prone to crime, even if they are addicts.

The war on drugs is the problem here. But I suppose Walker will get kick backs now from all the additional people being sent to prison. And the public pays on average $50-70k per year for each inmate. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well in America today - it's called the prison system.

Way to cheapen the true horror of slavery. :roll:
 
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Hummmm, haven't you made the argument in the past that, if a charity is going to get federal money than they need to abide by federal law? How's this any different? You want state money, you abide by state rules.

I have no problem with them abiding to it. I simply disagree with the rule they have made. Without offering treatment, it is a terrible policy.

They aren't already offered treatment?

Not until they are in prison.
 
Way to cheapen the true horror of slavery, genius. :roll:

I think the prison system can be considerably worse than slavery. If anything, it is an extension of slavery since such a disproportionate number of prisoners are black.
 
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Not until they are in prison.

That's the only way an addict finds his way into treatment, is it?

I think the prison system can be considerably worse than slavery.

It is worse to lose your liberty after breaking the law than it is to lose your liberty for breaking no laws?

To what absurd levels must we stoop here?
 
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This is just further stigma against the poor. One day it's the rich's fault for ruining the economy, the next it's the poor's. Honestly, Walker did this to score political points. It's not really going to change the situation. People relying on this safety net are going to fall through now and become more prone to crime, even if they are addicts.

The war on drugs is the problem here. But I suppose Walker will get kick backs now from all the additional people being sent to prison. And the public pays on average $50-70k per year for each inmate. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well in America today - it's called the prison system.

Hog Wash prisoners are paid and in some cases the Minumum wage.
 
I have no problem with them abiding to it. I simply disagree with the rule they have made. Without offering treatment, it is a terrible policy.

Is there just no room for personal responsibility at all in your thought process? Apparently, not only should drugs be legal, we should provide them for free. :roll:
 
Is there just no room for personal responsibility at all in your thought process? Apparently, not only should drugs be legal, we should provide them for free. :roll:

Actually if you go back and read in the thread I highlight my position very clearly. I do not believe that drugs should be legalized, I believe they should be decriminalized, and they should be regulated with taxes and fines which go to pay for treatment programs.
 
I think the prison system can be considerably worse than slavery. If anything, it is an extension of slavery since such a disproportionate number of prisoners are black.

Seriously CT, I know how prone to hyperbole you are, but really, let's not degrade what slavery did and was by using stupid comparisons just to get a reaction now.

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Buying drugs with welfare money on one's own can be dangerous. Street dealers can be sketchy. Why are we putting the poor in danger forcing them to buy their own drugs with welfare money? FedGov should just distribute the drugs directly. They can include resource information to rehab facilities in the little baggies.
 
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I live in Florida and this is the field in which I work. The most treatment you can get in Florida if you have no money or insurance is a detox and a pamphlet to a local AA or NA group. Your 5 year chance of success is 8%.

Try typing in "Tallahassee" and looking at the search results. You will find that most use self payment, Medicare, Medicaid, military insurance, or financial assistance. Financial assistance will only buy you what I have mentioned above.
 
Time for the Slobs sucking the Democrat provided Social Teet in Florida........

.......... to get a job......or start buying their own smack.......hopefully both.
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Seriously CT, I know how prone to hyperbole you are, but really, let's not degrade what slavery did and was by using stupid comparisons just to get a reaction now.

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Having a scarred back from whipping isn't quite as severe as being gang raped in the shower and then shanked in the cafeteria.

Anyways, you didn't really read what I said. I think the prison system could be considered an extension of slavery.
 
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Actually if you go back and read in the thread I highlight my position very clearly. I do not believe that drugs should be legalized, I believe they should be decriminalized, and they should be regulated with taxes and fines which go to pay for treatment programs.

If something's not illegal, it's legal.
 
Actually if you go back and read in the thread I highlight my position very clearly. I do not believe that drugs should be legalized, I believe they should be decriminalized, and they should be regulated with taxes and fines which go to pay for treatment programs.

You said that twice and it still makes no sense. How are you going to fine someone for something that's been decriminalized? You can't be fined for not breaking a law.
 
I think the prison system can be considerably worse than slavery. If anything, it is an extension of slavery since such a disproportionate number of prisoners are black.

Drug Tests are !!!RACIST!!!......
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Time for the Slobs sucking the Democrat provided Social Teet in Florida........

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Good luck getting a job with our unemployment rate.
 
You said that twice and it still makes no sense. How are you going to fine someone for something that's been decriminalized? You can't be fined for not breaking a law.

Decriminalized means that you aren't sent to prison for doing it, it doesn't mean that it is legal to do it.

For example, speeding is decriminalized. It isn't legal to speed, but you can be fined for speeding.
 
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