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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    That honestly does sound like a good idea, but how do you ensure that it is only being used for food, transportation etc. You can buy almost anything at Walmart which is where most poor people buy their groceries. How do you discern what part of purchases is food and what part is the flat screen TV? Limit the amount they can spend at one time? The others are easier to see that it is being used properly but still somewhat hard.
    That part is easy, it is just a matter of having entries in the store product database, similar to how taxed goods and non-taxed goods are accounted for. You go through checkout all your items get scanned, you have an amount of your purchase eligible to be charged to your welfare account based upon what goods were flagged as welfare eligible and which are not. You scan your card, those get paid for, then you have to come up with hundreds of dollars out of pocket to pay for that TV.

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    Otherwise sounds like a great plan, why don't we do it?
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    They should be getting help, but intervention is necessary if it's bad. Often times, it quite mild. A little drink, a little toke during the bad times is self-medicating. It doesn't always mean things have gotten completely out of hand. Florida seems to think that a dirty UA is justification for starvation which leads to death.
    Don't care about the drink. It's the toke that I care about. Drinking is legal. And "self-medicating" with an illegal substance is no excuse. There are plenty of other legal things that are available to "self-medicate". If of course you are using that term properly. If it is being used to just get away from reality then too bad.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh goodness no. I think we should have treatment available. If you are going to give them a drug test, then also give them treatment.

    Typical conservative mentality. Either I'm for anti drug laws or I'm for drug cartels.
    Interesting response... No wonder Libertarians never see the national stage.

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    So, I have to pay for the treatment, too? **** that ****!!
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You are, of course, missing the obvious.

    Many druggies will stop applying for handouts once it becomes obvious druggies won't get them, and they won't bother to be tested.

    Also drug testing isn't that expensive any more.

    Finally, since drug use is a crime, also announce that all failed applicants will have their test results reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency which will then provide probable cause to search their residence, their persons, and their vehicles, and, of course, all persons and property found in those residences.

    THAT'LL reduce the cost of drug testing and the amount of welfare payments enormously.
    And this is where you people don't get it.

    You've just upped the crime rate and incarceration rate in Florida.

    You've just raised Florida's deficit by probably BILLIONS.

    If they're going to jail, you're spending a ****-ton more than you were on Welfare.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I didn't know Liberals and Libertarians had so much in common. It must be the "progressive" thing.
    Libertarians are generally socially liberal and economically fiscal. I personally would like to see drugs decriminalized but still regulated with fines and taxes. The fines and taxes would go to pay for treatment programs.

    The progressive move would be to simply increase harder punishments on drug offenders. Progressive = increasing government interference in people's lives.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I'd rather pay to keep them locked up than pay to keep them high on drugs. But that's just me.
    How dare you call yourself a Libertarian.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Libertarians are generally socially liberal and economically fiscal. I personally would like to see drugs decriminalized but still regulated with fines and taxes. The fines and taxes would go to pay for treatment programs.

    The progressive move would be to simply increase harder punishments on drug offenders. Progressive = increasing government interference in people's lives.
    I'm sure by economically fiscal you mean fiscally conservative.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I think this is great. It is a move in the right direction.

    Do you think having crack addicted parents who spend the food stamps etc on drugs is any different? This is not going to harm children anymore then the parents already do.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    What is amazing to me is that there are people on this thread - you all know who you are, and if you don't, we do - who immediately equate poverty with drug abuse. That is absurd. In Florida, 20.8% of people over 50 years old live below poverty. Some posters on this thread assume that the majority of those people are drug addicts. In Florida over 12% of the population of the people over 50 years old are unemployed. Of course that number does not include the people who have simply quit looking for work. Some posters here naively believe that anyone can work who want to work. Some posters here apparently believe that people over the age of 50 can easily find a job if they only wanted to work.

    As often happens conservatives are either uninterested in facts or unable to understand them. Only "elitists" are interested in statistics. Most people who receive public assistance are not drug abusers. I would challenge Conservative to pony up with the facts to base her assertions.










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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    My concern is that in the Obamation economy the number of people in need of help is astronomical and the tests will only add to cost problem that is already too high.

    In the past year, some states have seen increases of 15% or more in their welfare caseloads, including Florida, Ohio, Oregon and Washington.

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