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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Were's the downside?
    People suffer and die.

    A person's worth is not their productivity. If that were the case, why no kill of the elderly, the mentally ill, the disabled, and so forth?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Yes, they are criminalized, and I would love it if the government would decriminalize them. Continue to regulate them but use fines and taxes.
    I'm of the opinion that they should be legalized altogether, except for the ones that make you violent like meth and PCP. If people want to **** up their life doing heroin, that's their business. The government can tax it, just like they do for tobacco, and everyone wins (except the drug lords).
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Human compassion IS NOT defined by how much money the government takes from the productive to support the wilfully self-destructive.

    The Mayor's method of reducing the number of drug addicts has several points that neither left-wing "pity programs" nor right-wing "condescending compassion" programs can claim.

    It's inexpensive.

    It's non-coercive.

    It would work as advertised.

    It's self-regulating.

    Also, by making drugs freely available, the horrid expense of the drug interdiction agencies is eliminated, as is the awful uncontitutional intrusions on the civil liberties of every American in the name of drug prohibition.

    It would de-fund the Latin American drug cartels and promote national stability in a number of crumbling nations.

    Were's the downside?
    Aside from the fact that it's a government program designed to kill people, no downside. Are you fine with a government program designed to kill people?
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    People suffer and die.
    That's not a "downside", that's called "welcome to the real world".

    FEWER people suffer under the Mayor's program, and, eventually, in the long term, fewer die. Think of it as evolution in action.

    A person's worth is not their productivity. If that were the case, why no kill of the elderly, the mentally ill, the disabled, and so forth?
    An addict's worth is non-existent. Think of it as voluntary culling. Those addicts strong enough to realizethe danger will seek help to desist. Those lacking the strength to resist will succumb to the lure and voluntarily erase his burden on the people.

    Greatest good for the greatest number, remember?

    And, do you object to living in a free society?

    The Mayor believes the society should not be so restrictive. MYOB and FITW, you know?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Damn it, I've had enough. There is NOTHING wrong with this bill. Absolutely nothing. Here..as a Floridian, I feel compelled to provide you with this.

    2011 Bill Summary - The Florida Senate

    The bill creates s. 414.0652, F.S., requiring the Department of Children and Families (DCF) to perform a drug screening for temporary cash assistance applicants as a condition of eligibility. The bill provides the following:

    DCF shall require a drug test consistent with s. 112.0455, F.S.

    All applicants for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) shall be drug screened as a condition of eligibility to receive cash assistance benefits.

    Applicants who test positive for controlled substances will be disqualified from receiving temporary cash assistance for 1 year, unless the individual chooses to seek substance abuse treatment. If the individual chooses to seek treatment, he or she can reapply for TANF funds within a 6-month time frame. This is a one-time option.

    DCF must inform applicants who test positive of the ability to apply again one year from the date of the positive test, or within 6 months upon completion of a substance abuse program. Applicants who test positive again will be ineligible to receive TANF benefits for 3 years from the date of the second positive test.


    If a parent tests positive for controlled substances, DCF may designate a “protective payee” to receive the cash assistance benefits on behalf of a dependent child. Alternatively, the parent may choose an immediate family member to receive benefits on behalf of the child or DCF may approve another individual to receive the benefits; a person so designated by the parent or approved by DCF also must undergo drug testing.

    The cost of drug testing will be paid by the individual applicant.

    DCF will be required to provide any individual who tests positive for controlled substances with information concerning drug abuse and treatment programs in the area in which he or she resides. The bill specifies that neither DCF nor the state is responsible for providing or paying for substance abuse treatment as part of screening under this section.

    DCF is authorized to adopt rules as necessary to implement the law.
    This is the most compassionate drug-testing welfare bill that they could have possibly written, and every effort is made to make sure they still get their money. I'm sorry, but I can't intellectually respect you if you're bellyaching over something as simple and to-the-point as this law.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Aside from the fact that it's a government program designed to kill people, no downside. Are you fine with a government program designed to kill people?
    But it isn't a government program designed to kill people. No person wishing to avoid dying will partake of the benefits. All persons partaking and yet smart enough to limit their consumption will not die.

    Only people lacking the most basic self-control will fare hardly.

    The DEA kills people.

    Are you happy with that?

    The DEA kills people who've committed no crime.

    How about the BATF? You happy with that bit of government interdiction [in Waco] ?

    Governments exist to use force.

    The Mayor's plan contains not one erg of compulsion. No one not wishing the product is required to take it. No one taking the product is killed by the government.

    Not one person dies who follows instructions. The instructions are to be posted above the door of every distribtion center:

    NARCOTICS FREE HERE.
    DO NOT TAKE NARCOTICS IF YOU WANT TO LIVE.

    As a free society that is the full extent of the responsibility any adult has towards any other adult, and that include the responsibilities of the government to it's citizens.

    What IS important is that the people who do not wish to take narcotics should not be forced to subsidize the lifestyles of those who take them. The non-user must not become the slave of the user.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, so you have now taken the children away. They are now property of the government. What do we do with the kids, now that we have custody of them, and how will we pay for it?
    Things like that are what the government should be doing. What they shouldn't be doing is giving checks, cell phones and food stamps to drug addicts.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I don't see how any person would find this unagreeable.

    Why should a drug user have access to safety net benefits?
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

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    It's just a saying, Rusty Trombone...good grief.

    It's also a book by Thomas James Bass.

    Do you understand the meaning?

    The U.S. Government doesn't "recieve" money...it confiscates it.

    And it does not do so from "The People", it does so from some people. In fact, less than half of the citizens.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You are missing the point or perhaps you want to ignore it. We are not talking about drug addicts. Most people who need assistance from the state are NOT drug addicts. Most of the people who need public assistance are in dire straits because they can't find work.
    Then these people would not be affected.
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