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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment.
    Sounds like they might have a problem.

    Since the Mayor doesn't have a problem, then it's not the Mayor's problem.

    These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more. Heck, the drug tests aren't free either. That will cost tax payers quite substantially as well.
    Well, just execute them, instead. Their lives have been a complete waste, and, according to all those people who want to maximize the number of abortions, a life not worth living is better if it's not lived. So, if it's expense you're worried about, here's an alternative program:

    Make cocaine, heroin, and methamphetamines completely free, so that any adult can go to a distribution center and take as much of whatever he wants for no cost to him whatsoever. However, the drugs provided must be chemicall pure and uncut.

    That's almost certain to reduce the number of addicts in a very short period of time, without any problems of drug-dependent criminal activity.

    The addict doesn't care about themselves, and the Mayor certainly doesn't care about them, so why not implement this beneficial national program?


    You really think you are morally superior to these people?
    Yep.

    A lot of these people live very crappy lives and drugs are about the only escape they have.
    So?

    What's your point, that other people should bear the addict's financial burdens?

    Most started well before they were even adults and have been addicted for years. All these kinds of laws do is take them off the streets and put them in prison on the tax payer's dime. If you were born in their circumstances, you would likely have turned out the same way.
    Ah, the path of "Wish you were there", which isn't a Pink Floyd song.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I think the cost of drug testing is going to cost much more than amount we will be saving from those that do use drugs. This has actually already been touched on in another thread specific to Florida. If it would save money, or if the drug testing itself was free then I would probably be all for it, but it is most likely going to waste money and not be effective. I think it is just Rick Scott trying to make money for his business.
    You are, of course, missing the obvious.

    Many druggies will stop applying for handouts once it becomes obvious druggies won't get them, and they won't bother to be tested.

    Also drug testing isn't that expensive any more.

    Finally, since drug use is a crime, also announce that all failed applicants will have their test results reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency which will then provide probable cause to search their residence, their persons, and their vehicles, and, of course, all persons and property found in those residences.

    THAT'LL reduce the cost of drug testing and the amount of welfare payments enormously.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I"ve always said that if we're going to drug test welfare recipients we should also drug test our politicians as well as the employees, managers, and executives of any business that receives a government contract.
    Certainly the politicians and their staff.

    Possibly the officers of corporations under government contract.

    The employees? Certainly not.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The addict doesn't care about themselves, and the Mayor certainly doesn't care about them, so why not implement this beneficial national program?
    Or we could just seek to reduce poverty which directly contributes to drug use, provide treatment to drug abusers, and reduce the penalty of drug crimes to fines that go to pay for the treatment programs.

    The Mayor should work on developing some human compassion.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    So, remind why drugs are illegal again? Except for alcohol and tobacco, of course, because those don't have any harmful side effects.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Or put the kid up for adoption. IE no prison time required.

    And yes drug addiction can be cured/managed. As such perhaps they should be getting help instead of toking it up while spending tax dollars.
    They should be getting help, but intervention is necessary if it's bad. Often times, it quite mild. A little drink, a little toke during the bad times is self-medicating. It doesn't always mean things have gotten completely out of hand. Florida seems to think that a dirty UA is justification for starvation which leads to death.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    So, remind why drugs are illegal again? Except for alcohol and tobacco, of course, because those don't have any harmful side effects.
    Technically they aren't illegal, they are regulated. They are "controlled" substances. The government is free to regulate commerce.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Technically they aren't illegal, they are regulated. They are "controlled" substances. The government is free to regulate commerce.
    Oh yeah, "controlled." The kind of "controlled" where you get thrown in the slammer for 10 years for possessing/selling the stuff. I tend to spell that kind of "controlled" i-l-l-e-g-a-l.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Oh yeah, "controlled." The kind of "controlled" where you get thrown in the slammer for 10 years for possessing/selling the stuff. I tend to spell that kind of "controlled" i-l-l-e-g-a-l.
    Yes, they are criminalized, and I would love it if the government would decriminalize them. Continue to regulate them but use fines and taxes.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Or we could just seek to reduce poverty which directly contributes to drug use, provide treatment to drug abusers, and reduce the penalty of drug crimes to fines that go to pay for the treatment programs.

    The Mayor should work on developing some human compassion.
    Human compassion IS NOT defined by how much money the government takes from the productive to support the wilfully self-destructive.

    The Mayor's method of reducing the number of drug addicts has several points that neither left-wing "pity programs" nor right-wing "condescending compassion" programs can claim.

    It's inexpensive.

    It's non-coercive.

    It would work as advertised.

    It's self-regulating.

    Also, by making drugs freely available, the horrid expense of the drug interdiction agencies is eliminated, as is the awful uncontitutional intrusions on the civil liberties of every American in the name of drug prohibition.

    It would de-fund the Latin American drug cartels and promote national stability in a number of crumbling nations.

    Were's the downside?

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