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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't recall the fatcats at Goldman Sachs having to pass a drug test before getting their taxpayer funded "bonuses". Maybe I missed it.
    Fine.

    Cancel welfare, cancel bankerfare. Make the Mayor very happy indeed.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh! So, you're actually trying to say that conservatives don't want the government to have more control of our lives because they're for lower taxes. No, they aren't so much for control of our money as they are for control of other things.

    Libertarians would allow the individual to decide on which chemicals are bad, who they should marry, and whether to carry a fetus to term. Conservatives position on those issues are quite different, aren't they?
    Libertarians also insist the government not take money from some people to hand off to others for unconstitutional purposes. Like welfare.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh! So, you're actually trying to say that conservatives don't want the government to have more control of our lives because they're for lower taxes. No, they aren't so much for control of our money as they are for control of other things.

    Libertarians would allow the individual to decide on which chemicals are bad, who they should marry, and whether to carry a fetus to term. Conservatives position on those issues are quite different, aren't they?
    Let me tell you what else Libertarians would do. They would let the individual decide which chemicals are bad. And if that decision was not good, the individual would be accountable for the results. A true libertarian would be fully against redistribution so as to obtain even a remote modicum of equal results. A true Libertarian would expouse accountability for one's own actions.

    Libertarians don't pay for other people's crack.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I gotta help out these "Libertarians" a bit more. Some have lost their way. Here, from the National Libertarian Party Website.

    The Libertarian Party believes it is time for a new approach to fighting poverty. It is a program based on opportunity, work, and individual responsibility.

    1. End Welfare
    None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and "workfare" represent mere tinkering with a failed system.

    It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended.

    We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating AFDC, food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.

    more: Poverty and Welfare | Libertarian Party
    There's plenty more there so that you can learn what "Libertarian" really means

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    In some ways, this would have seemed a no-brainer. While it got some political challenges, it seems headed for Constitutional muster as well.



    I would like to think that this shoul dbe common-sense policy nationwide for anyone on any government assistance, to include those getting a government paycheck of any sort.

    Constitutional claims or not, I think this one hard to oppose politically. Of course, I am for the legalization of all drugs, with conditions, but would still want drug testing mandated regardless.
    I agree with Rick Scott on this one (except that he should use a company that he does not have a vested interest in), welfare should be a hand up, not a hand out, so common sense we can do to curtail behaviors that keep one on welfare roles longer than they need to be should be included within that program.

    As far as constitutional issues, that can probably be resolved by having people sign a contract as a condition to stay on the program or to join it, since being on the program is voluntary in the first place.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I like 'hand-up not hand-out'. Welfare has a tendency to lead us out of society. The link becomes an anonymous state and we lose grip.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-04-11 at 10:03 AM.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Libertarians also insist the government not take money from some people to hand off to others for unconstitutional purposes. Like welfare.
    They do have that in common with conservatives. The difference is the belief in individual liberty and responsibility.
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