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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ma'am, you in my humble opinion are different than most Americans. You have chosen to serve your country. The vast majority of Americans have not. Most Americans won't make that sacrifice, wouldn't raise their right hands and couldn't pass the security clearance. You are not like most Americans. You represent the very best this country has to offer. Many chose to wave the flag, but you have chosen to carry it and to serve under it. You have a taste for freedom that the protected will never know.

    You had to be vetted to serve and you must be vetted to continue to serve. Your Congressman and women and their staff do NOT take the drug tests you are required to take.

    People who now require public assistance do not require a security clearance. They do not serve in the ARMED Forces. They cannot be deployed. They will not be asked to die for their nation. You volunteered. They didn't. You're responsible to a nation. They are trying to stay healthy and alive.

    So we have people who haven't done jack for America demanding that veterans in dire straits shut the hell up and stop asking for assistance. There's something wrong with that.
    Rant on.

    That would be the fault of the gov't for criminalizing every damn thing short of ****ting in a toilet.

    65 million adults in this country have a criminal background. 25% of the adult population. The gov't is shooting themselves in the foot on this one.

    I'm definitely glad this lady served and is serving and I'm proud as hell of her, but she is no different than anyone else. She hasn't been caught, that's all. I read somewhere that by the age of 25 or something every adult has committed at least one felony offense, but of course not nearly that many are caught. And since someone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, these people, that are doing very bad things and getting away with it, find their ways into sensitive positions in our gov't and other companies.

    So be it. That's all. Not trying to derail the thread. But I would be willing to bet my life that this woman you so admire has committed multiple misdemeanor crimes in her life, if not a felony or two. (considering that a felony nowadays is more likely to be nonviolent in nature than violent, that's a safe bet.) In fact, 3 misdemeanors is a felony. Speak not of her as some perfect human being that can pass a background check, speak of her as a woman who has chosen to serve for her country. That I admire about her. But, in no way, is she perfect. Everyone is a sinner. Some have been caught, some have not. The stats on the crimes that people get away with in this country are astronomical.

    But, again, everything is a crime now, so even felons don't bother me anymore. You steal an Ipad? You're a felon. My GAWD. How is that a felony offense? Take someone's gun rights away because they run off with a pocket PC? Really? Yea, this country is super ****ed up.

    I judge no one, as long as no one judges me.

    Ok, rant off.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No one is equating poverty with drug use. All we're saying, is that we don't want their drug habit funded with our money.
    You make WAY too much sense for some people to accept

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, here's your choice. Live on the street, or submit to constant government monitoring. Whoooooo, free!
    Since they don't have a right to someone else's money, they get to see the strings attached.

    Gee, "beggars can't be choosers", can't anything be MORE apropos than that, given the topic?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I wonder when this country is going to wake up to the fact that a significant portion of the population is chemical dependent, that the so called "war on drugs" isn't working, and that the steps we've taken to remedy the situation have made things worse?

    No one wants to be drug tested, why? Because it is such a chore to pee in a cup? Or because so many of us would fail?
    So many of THEM, not "us".

    And, if someone is being robbed at gunpoin to satisfy the guilty urges of leftists who can't donate their own money to real charities, but the robbery victim does have an opportunity to put conditions on how his stolen money is spent, why shouldn't the victims demand hat only people who are serious about improving their lives, ie, by not being stupid enough to take drugs, legal or otherwise. If they're getting money because they claim they can't afford food, then it's not unrealistic to test their veracity.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or we could be intelligent about this. Not eveyone on welfare is there because they aren't looking for a job; particularly now with high unemployment and an unresponsive government. So the reason they're on welfare is they have a job and more times than not can't find one. So submit, or get tossed onto the street where it will now become even harder to get a job than before. Your Catch 22 is pretty unreasonable. The choice you want people to have is to live on the streets or accept unreasonable government force against them. As I said, not much of a choice. Pretty stupid when you think about it.
    this is all very nice and all totally irrelevant.

    There is nothing wrong with telling people who prioritize drugs over food shouldn't be going to their neighbors and asking for money for food. And there's nothing wrong with demanding people who ask for food submit to a simple test, because we all know how honest everyone is when the government is handing out free money someone else worked for.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because it ain't the government's god damned business.
    It is when the government is disbursing money. People that don't want the money don't have to have it. People that do want is need to comply with the law.


    What's next, ending the pesky imposition that they fill out forms? Is presenting ID too much of an intrusion?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe now since the economy is still broken and the high tech sector got hit pretty hard. Who is the average welfare recipient?

    End of the day, people have the right to secure their persons against unreasonable search. Drug tests merely for accepting government dollars for assistance programs we've authorized to help the poor does not make for a reasonable search.
    You're citing the Fourth Amendment.

    Very good.

    Cite the clause of the Constitution giving people the right to someone else's money.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And again, your catch 22. It's dumb. It's against the point of having this stupid system. Welfare exists, it's their money once they recieve it. You no longer have a say in the matter.
    Wrong.

    They're receiving the money on the pretext they need food. If they use the money for something else, they're committing fraud.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is an unreasonable search, the individual has right to secure their person against unreasonable search. So yes, it is unreasonable government force. Just accepting a welfare check does not abdicate any of our freedoms.
    It's perfectly reasonable. No one wanting to be searched is required to submit.

    It could be, depending on how invasive the test is. Of course, there is less restriction on non-government (private) force than government force.
    There's no force at all. Don't want to take your employer's drug test? Quit. Don't want to take the government's drug test? Don't ask for money from taxpayers.

    FTIW.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    People arent thinking about the far reaching problem thats trying to be corrected here. Most of these welfare reciepients have kids, the public funds is supposed to keep the kids fed with a roof over their head, granted nothing fancy but survival. Parents that use drugs do NOT put the kids first unfortunately they put their habit first...I totally agree that a drug test is not adding to any pain in suffering it may make kids suffer less and at the minimum make them be straight when they get the money
    The far reaching problem is the assumption the government should be able to take money from people who earn it to provide a living for people who haven't.

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