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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post

    Government intrusion? Nobody is making you get welfare
    But for the ones in Florida who get it, they will now be subjected to government intrusion. I thought Conservatives were against that? Why are they now championing it?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    People arent thinking about the far reaching problem thats trying to be corrected here. Most of these welfare reciepients have kids, the public funds is supposed to keep the kids fed with a roof over their head, granted nothing fancy but survival. Parents that use drugs do NOT put the kids first unfortunately they put their habit first...I totally agree that a drug test is not adding to any pain in suffering it may make kids suffer less and at the minimum make them be straight when they get the money

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    OK, reality check: Someone mentioned early in this thread, something about being forced to pee in front of someone, only that's not the way that it's done with non-parolees. The UA labs will only be testing the pee from the children that the welfare parents bring in a nasal spray bottle wrapped with a chemical hand warmer, and taped to the groin area. UA workers aren't allowed to go TSA on anyone. You just have to empty your pockets. Beating urinalysis testing is very easy. Hair follicles can't be beat, yet the hair has to be yanked out by the root, which testing centers are reluctant to do to people. Besides, testing hair follicles is much more expensive.

    The only thing this law accomplishes is spending a large amount of money out of the state's coffers.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Drug testing is not infringing on anyones rights or liberties. Drugs are at this time illegal.

    If the SCOTUS says mandatory drug testing in middle and high school is OK, what does that tell you about this situation?
    Drugs are illegal at this time. If you have evidence that I could be using drugs, you could call for a reasonable search of my person to find out. If you do not have that reasonable suspicion, then the search becomes unreasonable. Of which We the People have the right to secure against.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    And what is your basis for this ? Applying for welfare, instead of relying on a family member for help (my example about you) is a voluntary action. Just as is attempting to gain a job that requires drug testing, background checks, etc. So please provide some credible basis. Or is it just some feel-good opinion ?
    No, it's built from a very obvious difference between government and the individual. The government is restricted in how it can act and what force it can emply against the individual. The individual does not have as many restrictions.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I don't recall the fatcats at Goldman Sachs having to pass a drug test before getting their taxpayer funded "bonuses". Maybe I missed it.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I thought Conservatives were against bigger government, against government spending, and against government intrusion? Why is it they are now championing this measure which increases government, increases spending, and increases government intrusion?
    You are mistaken. Conservatives are for spending wisely. Conservatives are for government wisely. Conservatives are for accountability wisely.

    Do you see the common distinction ?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Government intrusion? Nobody is making you get welfare
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, it's built from a very obvious difference between government and the individual. The government is restricted in how it can act and what force it can emply against the individual. The individual does not have as many restrictions.
    You wanna bet !!!!! Your druggie neighbor can come to you and demand money, and you can tell him to GTF off your property. Even aim a gun at him in some circumstances. But he can go to the government, and get them to come to you, and demand money from you. At the point of a gun. Their gun. Now aimed at YOU ! And they can take that money from you, and give it to him.

    I would hope that you would at least treat it as your money. Just a smidgeon. And not as OPM.

    Of course, you could quote no Constitutional precedent that says that making welfare folks take a simple drug test.

    Just more ..........

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    But for the ones in Florida who get it, they will now be subjected to government intrusion. I thought Conservatives were against that? Why are they now championing it?
    Intrusion? If that is the case all those college athletes, high schoolers and middle schoolers, police, Firemen, all government employees including every member of the military and most municipality's. Drugs for the time being are illegal, no intrusion.
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