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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or we could be intelligent about this. Not eveyone on welfare is there because they aren't looking for a job; particularly now with high unemployment and an unresponsive government. So the reason they're on welfare is they have a job and more times than not can't find one. So submit, or get tossed onto the street where it will now become even harder to get a job than before. Your Catch 22 is pretty unreasonable. The choice you want people to have is to live on the streets or accept unreasonable government force against them. As I said, not much of a choice. Pretty stupid when you think about it.
    I reckon they'll never find a job, because they'll have to submit to multiple drug screens. Your logic is flawed beyond belief.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

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    Because it ain't the government's god damned business.
    It is, when it's my goddamned money they're spending.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I reckon they'll never find a job, because they'll have to submit to multiple drug screens. Your logic is flawed beyond belief.
    There are lots of places where you don't need to take one. And also private business and government are two very different things. But you can pretend all you want so that you can continue making dismissive statements; but whatever.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because it ain't the government's god damned business.
    Bingo! So, why do we allow the government to try to outlaw certain substances?
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It is, when it's my goddamned money they're spending.
    Oil companies can be regulated better then? How about all the corporations getting tax breaks and subsidies? Can we take more from them, demand more from them, regulate them more? It's our money, right?

    In the end, you allowed the welfare state to exist as it does now, we live with the consequences of it. Once that money is given to the recipients, it stops being YOUR MONEY. It is now THEIRS. So get off your high horse and mind your own business.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There are lots of places where you don't need to take one. And also private business and government are two very different things. But you can pretend all you want so that you can continue making dismissive statements; but whatever.
    There's not a single, legitimate job in this country that doesn't require drug screens. If they choose to work somewhere that doesn't require drug screens, then they're probably not paying taxes and are guilty of tax evasion. More flawed logic on your part.

    It all boils down to: if they don't like it, they are free to refuse to take the government money and go get one of those $3 and hour jobs, where they don't have to take drug screens. I say more power to them.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Bingo! So, why do we allow the government to try to outlaw certain substances?
    Because people will make emotional pleas and ask why no one is thinking of the children. Then we make certain substances illegal and allow the government to expand its powers beyond what it was meant to so that we can save the children by fighting this substance even though in the end all we do is waste our money and allow for some very dubious government activity.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oil companies can be regulated better then? How about all the corporations getting tax breaks and subsidies? Can we take more from them, demand more from them, regulate them more? It's our money, right?

    In the end, you allowed the welfare state to exist as it does now, we live with the consequences of it. Once that money is given to the recipients, it stops being YOUR MONEY. It is now THEIRS. So get off your high horse and mind your own business.
    Approximately 84 billion tax dollars a year is spent keeping shipping lanes open so that oil companies can sell you gasoline.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oil companies can be regulated better then? How about all the corporations getting tax breaks and subsidies? Can we take more from them, demand more from them, regulate them more? It's our money, right?
    If you want to kill even more jobs, sure, that would be a great idea.

    In the end, you allowed the welfare state to exist as it does now, we live with the consequences of it. Once that money is given to the recipients, it stops being YOUR MONEY. It is now THEIRS. So get off your high horse and mind your own business.
    It's my money that is being spent. I'm the customer. I get a say in what happens to that money.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's not a single, legitimate job in this country that doesn't require drug screens. If they choose to work somewhere that doesn't require drug screens, then they're probably not paying taxes and are guilty of tax evasion. More flawed logic on your part
    Really? That's what you're down to now. Places like Agilent and such don't drug screen their tech support and engineers. More flawed argument on your part. Fail.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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