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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    I don't have a problem with drug-testing welfare recipients... so long as every person in the state who also receives taxpayer money is also drug tested. Do it across the board, or don't do it at all. It would be economic discrimination.

    That said, the International Commission on The Global War On Drugs has finally issued the report that should have been issued decades ago. The commission admits that we have lost the war, and that the war itself has enabled global crime cartels to multiply and prosper. The commission also suggests most drugs be made legal and regulated, citing that as the most effective way to cause most criminal drug enterprises to immediately implode. These are not novices on the international stage, either. They are well-respected global players who have served in the IMF, world banks, the highest financial and economic posts around the world.

    Legalize drugs, regulate them, problem solved. I've said that for over a decade. Now folks high enough to be taken seriously are saying the same thing. Good for them.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    The governor, his staff, the lady in the courthouse cafeteria, the attorney general, his aides and staff, the mayors, the county and municipal workers also live on my tax dollar. Piss test them too.
    What ? "Live on the tax dollar" ? All state employees must earn a paycheck. They have performance standards they must meet daily lest they face potential loss of their jobs. They are evaluated daily by whoever is their boss. Admittedly, the Governor answers to just about no one, but are we now equating him to someone on the welfare dole ?

    Did you even read the posts ? Did you not notice that a goal of this law is to get druggies out of the chain of handling of money and benefits that flows from the state to their dependents ? This will enable the state, in a situation such as where a druggie has three dependent children, to where the druggie no longer gets the funds, but where a responsible adult can be designated to manage the funds and assistance to the kids still.

    Bottom line: We aren't going to finance crack-heads if we can help it.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    What ? "Live on the tax dollar" ? All state employees must earn a paycheck. They have performance standards they must meet daily lest they face potential loss of their jobs. They are evaluated daily by whoever is their boss. Admittedly, the Governor answers to just about no one, but are we now equating him to someone on the welfare dole ?

    Did you even read the posts ? Did you not notice that a goal of this law is to get druggies out of the chain of handling of money and benefits that flows from the state to their dependents ? This will enable the state, in a situation such as where a druggie has three dependent children, to where the druggie no longer gets the funds, but where a responsible adult can be designated to manage the funds and assistance to the kids still.

    Bottom line: We aren't going to finance crack-heads if we can help it.
    I get it. It's apples and oranges but still bought with the same dollar. Test them all.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I get it. It's apples and oranges but still bought with the same dollar. Test them all.
    I think we should go further than that. Test the oil company CEOs and the banksters before we give them more corporate welfare money.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    You mean test people most likely to vote republican? Don't hold your breath Dana.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    What people are failing to see here is that it's nobody's business what someone does with their welfare money. If, according to law, they qualify for welfare, then they can choose to waste it on drugs. There won't be anymore funds forthcoming. Which means, they are choosing starvation (or whatever else) in favor of their addictions.

    This governmental privacy invasion gets a free pass only because people are emotional over drug use and the governor is playing on people's biases. It's one thing for a private company to test you in order to be their employee (something I also don't agree with, btw), but it's quite another for it to be done in a mandatory fashion under the public domain.

    I'm sorry, but the slippery slope does apply here. We give the government a pass to do this, and it's further expansion of unnecessary power. And for the reasons mentioned earlier, it will only end up increasing the tax burden as prisons fill up with desperate people who fall through the social safety net.

    Florida is choosing to reinforce poverty, along with crime and punishment. This is all because many conservatives hate welfare recipients as it is, on top of hating the idea of "wasting my tax dollars on drugs". Well, have fun wasting your tax dollars on their room and board in the prison system. It will be far more than if you just minded your own business!

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    What people are failing to see here is that it's nobody's business what someone does with their welfare money. If, according to law, they qualify for welfare, then they can choose to waste it on drugs. There won't be anymore funds forthcoming. Which means, they are choosing starvation (or whatever else) in favor of their addictions.

    This governmental privacy invasion gets a free pass only because people are emotional over drug use and the governor is playing on people's biases. It's one thing for a private company to test you in order to be their employee (something I also don't agree with, btw), but it's quite another for it to be done in a mandatory fashion under the public domain.

    I'm sorry, but the slippery slope does apply here. We give the government a pass to do this, and it's further expansion of unnecessary power. And for the reasons mentioned earlier, it will only end up increasing the tax burden as prisons fill up with desperate people who fall through the social safety net.

    Florida is choosing to reinforce poverty, along with crime and punishment. This is all because many conservatives hate welfare recipients as it is, on top of hating the idea of "wasting my tax dollars on drugs". Well, have fun wasting your tax dollars on their room and board in the prison system. It will be far more than if you just minded your own business!
    Except, many times it isn't about just them starving. Many times the only reason a person gets the money is due to having children, who would be suffering because that money was meant to take care of the children, not support the parent/guardian's drug habit. And the children have no control over how much money the parent uses to feed them with and how much goes to support a drug habit.

    Personally, I consider it fraud for a parent to be given money specifically to be used to take care of their child, and they are using it or what money they are making (that should be going towards working to get themselves and their children out of poverty as much as it can) to support their drug habit, including alcohol and tobacco. The only reason I don't see it happening that we would insist on testing people for alcohol or tobacco is because it is much easier to claim that you bummed a cig or had a drink curtesy of your family or friends than it is to claim that you are using drugs for free, especially since the alcohol and tobacco are legal and drugs, currently, aren't.

    Also, we do specify much of the time what welfare "money" can be used for, including limiting Food Stamps to be used for food (and in some places bare essentials such as toilet paper). Not all government help is monetary. We should probably try to do this more rather than just giving money to people without limiting its use, but that still doesn't mean that we shouldn't expect people to be trying to get a job that could support them and their family, which would mean they really shouldn't be spending any money that they get their hands on on drugs.

    Now, I do think that we should probably be offering drug rehab or at least providing referrals and lists of the cheapest drug rehab places and/or perhaps programs/charities that could help pay for drug rehab. If it is offered via the government, maybe it could be on some loan plan.

    And I like the part of the bill where someone else can be designated to get the aid for the children.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    ^ You make a good argument that I cannot refute. Kudos.

    Surely though you can see how there is potential for what I mentioned to happen? I agree that when it comes to children we need to know the money has a designated purpose, but what about single individuals? There are lots of those on welfare too, and yes some of them are drug addicts. Do we remove their aid and let them completely slip through the cracks, especially when there is no government subsidized rehab in most localities?

    People quickly forget what ADDICTION means. It means you CANNOT STOP.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    ^ You make a good argument that I cannot refute. Kudos.

    Surely though you can see how there is potential for what I mentioned to happen? I agree that when it comes to children we need to know the money has a designated purpose, but what about single individuals? There are lots of those on welfare too, and yes some of them are drug addicts. Do we remove their aid and let them completely slip through the cracks, especially when there is no government subsidized rehab in most localities?

    People quickly forget what ADDICTION means. It means you CANNOT STOP.
    Oh, I agree. That is why I believe we shouldn't just tell people "sorry you failed the drug test. Next." We should be offering at the very least some help or a way to get affordable help if they care enough to get it. But we can't know that they need the help in most cases without something like these tests, since few are likely to refer themselves.
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