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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They don't have to, but plenty of people (not just poor) do. They just can't afford the expensive perscription drugs and cocain that the upper class can afford.
    I understand that, but I don't see how "government won't pay money to people who fail drug tests" equals "war on the poor".
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I have to take issue with this. This is not just about the individual adult who receives and then distributes the assorted welfare to the family. You post as though that is the case. I submit it is quite the opposite.

    This is also very much about those other dependents. Especially the kids. The state is saying not just that a welfare recipient who does drugs may be deemed ineligible, but more importantly, that where an adult is found to be a "druggie", the state will find a non-druggie adult conduit through which to get the benefits to the other dependents.

    I do not see "bull**** moralizing" and an "attack on the poor". I am still waiting to see one reasoned disagreement with this new policy though.
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more. Heck, the drug tests aren't free either. That will cost tax payers quite substantially as well.

    It would be better to offer substance abuse treatment if they are going to test them.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I understand that, but I don't see how "government won't pay money to people who fail drug tests" equals "war on the poor".
    I'm not saying it's a war on the poor. I'm saying that I don't believe this large scale information search and databasing is proper power of the government.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    OK, so you have now taken the children away. They are now property of the government. What do we do with the kids, now that we have custody of them, and how will we pay for it?

    We were paying for them anyway.

    At some point we need to not be held hostage by people using children to tug on our heart strings, when those same people would rather pay for a fix than for formula.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more. Heck, the drug tests aren't free either. That will cost tax payers quite substantially as well.

    It would be better to offer substance abuse treatment if they are going to test them.
    Hummmm, haven't you made the argument in the past that, if a charity is going to get federal money than they need to abide by federal law? How's this any different? You want state money, you abide by state rules.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not saying it's a war on the poor. I'm saying that I don't believe this large scale information search and databasing is proper power of the government.
    Well others have insinuated as much in this thread.

    I see it just like any place of employment. If the institution that is paying you wants to drug test you, then that is the right of that institution. Doesn't matter if it is private or government. Don't want to be drug tested by the government? Don't ask them for a check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment. These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more.
    The threat of criminal behavior doesn't justify public funding to perpetuate addictions.

    It would be better to offer substance abuse treatment...
    They aren't already offered treatment?
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    This is just further stigma against the poor. One day it's the rich's fault for ruining the economy, the next it's the poor's. Honestly, Walker did this to score political points. It's not really going to change the situation. People relying on this safety net are going to fall through now and become more prone to crime, even if they are addicts.

    The war on drugs is the problem here. But I suppose Walker will get kick backs now from all the additional people being sent to prison. And the public pays on average $50-70k per year for each inmate. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because it's government granted assistance. It's not a job you're doing. You're not applying for a position. I'd like to keep constant monitoring of the People by the government to the smallest value possible.
    The entire application process is voluntary. If they won't pass the drug test then they shouldn't apply for the free govt handouts. If you are going to take taxpayer money then you have to live by the taxpayer chosen stipulations for that money. You do not have a right to it. It was taken from people who worked for it. How dare you not only force people to give others their money but also tell them they can't put whatever stipulations they want on it? You seem to forget who funds these govt programs.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    This is just further stigma against the poor. One day it's the rich's fault for ruining the economy, the next it's the poor's. Honestly, Walker did this to score political points. It's not really going to change the situation. People relying on this safety net are going to fall through now and become more prone to crime, even if they are addicts.

    The war on drugs is the problem here. But I suppose Walker will get kick backs now from all the additional people being sent to prison. And the public pays on average $50-70k per year for each inmate. Yeah, this makes a lot of sense.

    Make no mistake, slavery is alive and well in America today - it's called the prison system.
    Way to cheapen the true horror of slavery.
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