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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    In theory this does seem like a good idea if it does in fact save money. I saq where someone wrote that the recipient pays for they test so that wouldn't cost more government money BUT what if your clean? does the government then reimburse you? it better.

    Also can this really generate enough money for rehab? Doesn't rehab cost like 14K and up?

    Again in theory I like the idea but will it really be saving money? will crime and jail population go up, will tax money need increased to pay for the rehab? etc etc etc
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    IMHO, this will push the focus on cannabis users and not cocaine, heroin, amphetamine and prescription pill addicts who are in real need of medical treatment.

    But i do agree it is a step in the right direction.
    I though about that too? how often is the testing and how will it be done, not a drug expert but the heavy stuff from my understanding leaves your body fast under a urine/blood test while weed something I couldn't care less about stays around. maybe I have that wrong though.

    If the testing is often and blood or hair its gonna get expensive real quick.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lets be real here most never get off welfare. We have entire generations of family's living off the state with no intentions of leaving. Mothers having baby after baby to keep the free money going. Now in the beginning it was just a stop gap but much like social security, it has grown far beyond that.

    So again I don't agree and have no problem with it at all.
    If we're going to be real here, then some won't get off welfare. It still comes down to too much government interference and monitoring in our daily lives. I don't care if someone takes welfare (well I do, but starting with the fact that we have a welfare system, people will use it and that's the starting point), they do not abdicate any of their rights for doing so. Including the right to secure themselves, their papers, and property against unreasonable search and seizure. This is unreasonable. Using a government program cannot be giving away your ability to exercise your rights. While I understand people being disgruntled about paying into a system which is abused by some, I cannot excuse this sort of gross expansion of government power against the rights of the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If we're going to be real here, then some won't get off welfare. It still comes down to too much government interference and monitoring in our daily lives. I don't care if someone takes welfare (well I do, but starting with the fact that we have a welfare system, people will use it and that's the starting point), they do not abdicate any of their rights for doing so. Including the right to secure themselves, their papers, and property against unreasonable search and seizure. This is unreasonable. Using a government program cannot be giving away your ability to exercise your rights. While I understand people being disgruntled about paying into a system which is abused by some, I cannot excuse this sort of gross expansion of government power against the rights of the individual.
    The use of the program is a choice. Volunteering evidence of sobriety as a condition of qualifying for a program is not unreasonable. I see it more as a gesture of good faith. Welfare programs have eligibility criteria. Should they not?

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The use of the program is a choice. Volunteering evidence of sobriety as a condition of qualifying for a program is not unreasonable. I see it more as a gesture of good faith. Welfare programs have eligibility criteria. Should they not?
    They can have requirements so long as those requirements do not violate the rights and liberties of the individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They can have requirements so long as those requirements do not violate the rights and liberties of the individual.
    Individuals can preserve their own rights and liberties by choosing not to participate in the program. Same way they can choose not to take a job or play an organized sport that drug tests.

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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Individuals can preserve their own rights and liberties by choosing not to participate in the program. Same way they can choose not to take a job or play an organized sport that drug tests.
    That's sort of the Catch 22 then eh? You're in a terrible spot, we have the ability to help you out of this spot, but if you take it then you must give up your rights; but you can preserve your rights by not taking the assistance that you need. Not something I really want government doing. With various private companies, fine. But this sort of broad ranged documentation and surveillance of the population in general is not something I am comfortable with government doing.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's social engineering. Social engineering, isn't that a conservative term? Interesting that you have a conservative governor imposing social engineering on citizens. The logistics would be difficult and costly as hell. The idea is also discriminatory against poor people. If it is applied it should then be applied fairly and therefore all employees of any business that receives state money should also be drug tested including corporate officers, boards of directors, and lobbyists. Make it just.

    If the point is that state money may finance drug abuse then any and all state money may finance drug abuse. Test anyone who receives money from the state or test no one that receives money from the state. That also includes state legislature and staff. I don't see that offing happening, do you?

    The proposed Florida law is just another attempt to separate the wealthy and powerful from everyone else, class warfare.
    no, the difference is the proposal only affects people getting "free" money..
    only seems fair that if you are in need of a free ride you should be required to do so drug free...
    whats gotten into your logic?

    testing people who are going ot work every day and have done nothing to warrant a test is entirely different matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's sort of the Catch 22 then eh? You're in a terrible spot, we have the ability to help you out of this spot, but if you take it then you must give up your rights; but you can preserve your rights by not taking the assistance that you need. Not something I really want government doing. With various private companies, fine. But this sort of broad ranged documentation and surveillance of the population in general is not something I am comfortable with government doing.
    Well truthfully I'm not either, but this is just a portent of the oppression an entitlement/welfare society eventually ushers in. Government comes a knockin' asking for funds saying Joe down the street "needs" it, eventually the public wants to know why. We want proof the "need" for our mandated charity is real and legitimate, not feigned for free cash, and ESPECIALLY not used to make Joe worse off (which is what happens when addicts get more money--it makes them worse).

    It SHOULD be no one's damn business what Joe does to get high, but that attitude only flies when Joe faces his own consequences thereof, and isn't bailed out (or worse, enabled) by the collective.
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    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If we're going to be real here, then some won't get off welfare. It still comes down to too much government interference and monitoring in our daily lives. I don't care if someone takes welfare (well I do, but starting with the fact that we have a welfare system, people will use it and that's the starting point), they do not abdicate any of their rights for doing so. Including the right to secure themselves, their papers, and property against unreasonable search and seizure. This is unreasonable. Using a government program cannot be giving away your ability to exercise your rights. While I understand people being disgruntled about paying into a system which is abused by some, I cannot excuse this sort of gross expansion of government power against the rights of the individual.
    you're either really young or clueless..

    so Ill go with really young just to give you the benefit
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