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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    so the constitution, bill of rights and all that stuff right?
    Our Forefathers and Founders didnt embrace liberals.......they shot them.
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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I actually can't tell if you're being serious or not. That's kind of depressing.
    Can you name ONE Democrat Policy in US History, that has encouraged US Businesses to remain in this country?

    Your serious answer will set you free.........
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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah ha.

    So you're one of "those" conservatives, well it's been nice chatting but since you have no idea what you're talking about I'm going to go watch the grass grow, far more productive.
    Have it your way.

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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Can you name ONE Democrat Policy in US History, that has encouraged US Businesses to remain in this country?

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    So in other words, you think the best thing we could do for the country is make it as nice as possible for the businesses?
    For: legalizing drugs, gay marriage, abortion, guns, universal health care, public sector jobs, nuclear power, free education, progressive taxation
    Against: corporations, make-work, the 40 hour work week, intellectual property, imperialism, "homeland security," censorship

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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Our Forefathers and Founders didnt embrace liberals.......they shot them.
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    The founding fathers were liberals...

    But you see that's the problem.

    Definitions have become to skewed in your political system.

    Conservatism in actual definition tends to be exactly what it sounds like "conserve" Keep traditions, the status quo...

    The founding fathers did anything but keep the status quo, the conservatives of their time would stay with England, they were liberals that broke off...

    The abolitionists were liberals of their time, conservatives of that time wished to keep the status quo... I.E. Slavery...

    And the list goes on and on and on.

    But that's the problem when people don't get definitions, and what words really mean, but twist them to suit their agenda, one person even referred to the constitution as a "Conservative document".

    What a pathetic attempt at ownership, as if SOME Conservatives of this day feel the constitution was written for them, and them alone, and they're somehow the final warriors standing up for it.

    It's pathetic.

    If you feel the need to be a liberal first, or a conservative first, rather then an American, I feel sorry for you, honestly I do.

    I do not look at my countrymen, be they South African, British or Canadian with despise for their political beliefs, no matter what they may be.

    So have fun with that extremely skewed version of the world.

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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    The founding fathers were liberals...
    Yes. Classical liberals are today's conservatives.
    o They believed economic liberty provided the greatest means to achieve happiness and prosperity. So to today's conservatives.
    o They believed that government must be tightly controlled and constrained lest it become Leviathan. They were right to fear an all powerful, central government. Today's conservatives believe the same.
    o They believed that a division of powers and responsibilities between the three branches of the federal government, the States, and the People provided for the best means of maintaining their freedoms, their liberty, and their livelihoods. Today's conservatives recognize that the Federal government has become enormously powerful with the three branches cooperating rather than contending as the Framers had planned it. So power once set down by the States must be taken up once again.
    The Framers were classical liberals. So are today's Conservatives.
    Words are like that.

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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    so the constitution, bill of rights and all that stuff right?
    Pete, do you believe the Framers were Democrats? Are you even remotely familiar with US History or did you attend a government schools after the 1980s?

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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    So tell me, conservatives. If you were put in charge right now, what would you do to fix the economy?
    It is very simple.

    -Repeal all corporate taxes (establishing the US as a tax and job haven)
    -Cap total income taxes paid at 25% (preventing the exporting of dollars to avoid taxes)
    -Establish reasonable tariffs on all imports (leveling the playing field with countries that don't properly compensate their workers)
    -Deport illegal immigrants and strictly enforce laws requiring citizenship for employment (increasing the number of citizens that can find work)
    -Cap spending at the current level of revenue (Freeing capital for investment in the private sector)
    -STOP PRINTING MONEY!


    As a bonus, allow citizens on their W-2, to dictate where their money is spent. That should be a fun experiment.
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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    So in other words, you think the best thing we could do for the country is make it as nice as possible for the businesses?
    Tell me what you feel would be the biggest detriment to establishing THE MOST BUSINESS FRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD......in lieu of THE MOST BUSINESS UNFRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD?

    .....The booming economy?

    ....The thousands of Made In The USA Businesses?

    ....The millions of US JOBS that would be created?

    .....Prosperity, Freedom, Liberty?
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    Re: Horror for US Economy as Data Falls off Cliff

    andrew cuomo on the need for his state to become "business friendly:"

    "we have the worst business tax climate in the nation, period, our taxes are 66% higher than the national average"

    "the costs of pensions are exploding... a 476% increase and its only getting worse"

    "the state of new york spends too much money, it is that blunt and it is that simple"

    "an unsustainable rate of growth and it has been for a long time"

    "not only do we spend too much, but we get too little in return"

    "the large government we have is all too often responsive to the special interests over the people"

    "new yorkers are voting with their feet, two million new yorkers have left the state over the past decade"

    "what does this say, it says we need radical reform, it says we need a new approach, we need a new perspective and we need it now"

    "this is a fundamental realignment for the state"

    "the old way wasn't working anyway, let's be honest"

    "we want a government that puts the people first and not the special interests first"

    "what made new york the empire state was a not a large government complex, it was a vibrant private sector that was creating great jobs"

    "and that's what's going to make us the empire state again"

    "at the heart of this state is business"

    "we have to relearn the lesson our founders knew and we have to put up a sign that says new york is open for business, we get it, and this is going to be a business friendly state"

    "we are going to have to confront the tax situation in our state, property taxes in this state are killing new yorkers, thirteen of the sixteen highest tax counties are in new york when assessed by home value"

    "westchester county has the highest property taxes in the united states, nassau county has the second highest"

    "it has to end, it has to end this year"

    "we have to hold the line on taxes for now and reduce taxes in the future, new york has no future as the tax capital of the nation, our young people will not stay, our business will not come"

    "put it simply, the people of this state simply cannot afford to pay any more taxes, period"

    "we have to start with an emergency financial plan to stabilize our finances, we need to hold the line and we need to institute a wage freeze in the state of new york, we need to hold the line on taxes, we need a state spending cap and we need to close this $10 billion gap without any borrowing"

    GOVERNOR ANDREW M. CUOMO STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

    and in new york it aint just rhetoric:

    Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

    leadership, anyone?
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