Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 29

Thread: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

  1. #11
    Advisor DontDoIt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Illinois, Land of Liberals
    Last Seen
    11-22-15 @ 12:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    391

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Oh yeah, pay for $250 in groceries with food stamps, then throw down $60 on a carton of cigs and $20 on a case of beer. That's responsibility right there.
    Gotta have make dip of skoal, and ice cold keystone to relieve my stress mate

    "It is a sad day in society when people adjust the facts to fit their beliefs, rather than adjust their beliefs to fit the facts."
    Libertarian/Conservative/Christian Beliefs

  2. #12
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,089

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm sorry, but I fail to see how it causes any harm by requiring that people who are surviving SOLELY off of government handouts be able to prove that they are drug free.
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.

    And I have no problem what so ever that anyone getting a government handout.. tax break, subsidy and so on, should be required to do certain things, and that can include drug testing. I really want every Exxon employee in the US to undergo government mandated drug testing every 6 months if Exxon is to get those billions in subsidies and tax breaks on top of their non payment of taxes.. Just one drugged up employee, and bye bye all those perks I say.
    PeteEU

  3. #13
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,089

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    I don't know about Spain, but pretty much every major corporation and even many small companies require you to pass a drug screen before you can be offered a position.
    Not what I am saying... I am saying that ALL employees of any company that receives any money from the government, either directly or via tax breaks or subsidies, should be required to have yearly if not every 6 months mandatory drug testing to be able to receive said money.
    PeteEU

  4. #14
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.

    And I have no problem what so ever that anyone getting a government handout.. tax break, subsidy and so on, should be required to do certain things, and that can include drug testing. I really want every Exxon employee in the US to undergo government mandated drug testing every 6 months if Exxon is to get those billions in subsidies and tax breaks on top of their non payment of taxes.. Just one drugged up employee, and bye bye all those perks I say.
    Selective? EVERY person applying for welfare in Florida will have to submit to a drug test. Corporations are different. How are we supposed to test them? Make every employee pee in a cup? Further, we shouldn't be providing welfare to corporations in the first place. I've said often that I am against subsidies, too. But I see absolutely no problem with this legislation on it's own. I

    n Texas and Michigan I can tell you first hand that welfare recipients are more likely to use drugs or abuse alcohol than their non-welfare counterparts. Having lived inside of the welfare cultures for quite some time I've seen those checks go straight to the dealer in exchange for some blow...and the kids (the ones everybody screams that we need to help) continue to suffer.

    The only other solution as I see it is to distribute the money to specific accounts (i.e. x-amount to rent, x-amount to electricity) and give the recipient no rights over how the money is spent, which many would find more severe, and which would ultimately cost more money in the long run.

    I have to pass a drug test with almost every employer I've ever worked for, which means a welfare recipient looking for work would as well. If we don't hold them to the same level of accountability as an employer would, how do we expect them to ever fall in line with those expectations and become productive? If we let them skate along with no obligation or responsibility what good are we really doing them?
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


  5. #15
    Educator Helvidius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Good ol' US of A
    Last Seen
    02-01-17 @ 12:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    735

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.

    And I have no problem what so ever that anyone getting a government handout.. tax break, subsidy and so on, should be required to do certain things, and that can include drug testing. I really want every Exxon employee in the US to undergo government mandated drug testing every 6 months if Exxon is to get those billions in subsidies and tax breaks on top of their non payment of taxes.. Just one drugged up employee, and bye bye all those perks I say.
    I'd rather Exxon simply not get those billions in subsidies. However, if they continue getting subsidies, I don't see why the entire corporation of Exxon should suffer because some employee happened to smoke some pot and fail a drug test.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  6. #16
    Distributist
    Jeezy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 03:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    1,326

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.
    Yeah. First it's making sure the government isn't subsidizing drug habits...next thing you know we'll put everyone below the poverty line into camps.
    SWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAGSWAG
    Quote Originally Posted by Josie
    Thanks for your awesomeness, Jeezy.

  7. #17
    Sage
    ksu_aviator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Fort Worth Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:39 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    6,680
    Blog Entries
    10

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Pathetic partisan piece of legislation. Funny how those people and employees of companies that get government handouts are not forced to drug testing... oh yea, forgot, they are also contributors to this hack job of a governor so they are exempt..
    You missed the point. The government is not going to reward people that can't get a job because they won't give up drugs. Why should the people pay for drug users life styles if it is their own damn fault they can't find a job?
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

  8. #18
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 07:36 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,237

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.

    And I have no problem what so ever that anyone getting a government handout.. tax break, subsidy and so on, should be required to do certain things, and that can include drug testing. I really want every Exxon employee in the US to undergo government mandated drug testing every 6 months if Exxon is to get those billions in subsidies and tax breaks on top of their non payment of taxes.. Just one drugged up employee, and bye bye all those perks I say.
    Godwin Alert!!!!!!

    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  9. #19
    Sage
    PeteEU's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Denmark
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,089

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Selective? EVERY person applying for welfare in Florida will have to submit to a drug test. Corporations are different. How are we supposed to test them? Make every employee pee in a cup? Further, we shouldn't be providing welfare to corporations in the first place. I've said often that I am against subsidies, too. But I see absolutely no problem with this legislation on it's own.
    Yes it is selective. And yes you should not provide welfare to corporations, but you do and have to accept that. As for testing them... easy, take part of the welfare check and hire a company to come and test everyone. Not as hard as you think.... after all you want to do exactly the same with people on welfare and that is no different... it is a medium to large corporation size and far more spread out.

    In Texas and Michigan I can tell you first hand that welfare recipients are more likely to use drugs or abuse alcohol than their non-welfare counterparts.
    Doubtful. There are far far more non-welfare people who have the cash to buy drugs. So in total numbers the non-welfare people have by a country mile. And even in % of the population group they might even have it also.

    Having lived inside of the welfare cultures for quite some time I've seen those checks go straight to the dealer in exchange for some blow...and the kids (the ones everybody screams that we need to help) continue to suffer.
    Well that is another matter.. Do you really think that the druggies will give up their habit just because you think it is a good idea to stop paying them welfare? Do you not think that crime will start to skyrocket as these former welfare persons now go to crime (or even more crime) and that in turn fills your overfull prisons even more up? How about trying to help these people out of a life of drugs instead of just tossing them to the side like yesterdays fast food trash?

    The only other solution as I see it is to distribute the money to specific accounts (i.e. x-amount to rent, x-amount to electricity) and give the recipient no rights over how the money is spent, which many would find more severe, and which would ultimately cost more money in the long run.
    So it is more expensive now to pay for rent and electricity for welfare people than paying for a prison cell with food and water for said person? Who you gonna let out of the prisons to be able fit in the new crop of convicted criminals? Bernie Madoff, some terrorist or drug dealer.. how about a few rapists and child molesters? Or you gonna spend a 10s of billions in building new prisons to harbour them? Why not just make Alaska into one big prison camp? Would be much cheaper, since it would be Canada and Russia that had to take on most of the security... or maybe your colony Puerto Rico? Add a few tropical diseases and no healthcare and watch the "problem go away" fast!

    I have to pass a drug test with almost every employer I've ever worked for, which means a welfare recipient looking for work would as well. If we don't hold them to the same level of accountability as an employer would, how do we expect them to ever fall in line with those expectations and become productive? If we let them skate along with no obligation or responsibility what good are we really doing them?
    I dont disagree at all. But just cutting them off and throwing them in the street is selective partisan ideology. And I stand by my comments that all persons and companies who get any form of government grant/money/tax break/subsidy should be required to have drug tests. There are far more druggies outside the "welfare" system than there are in.. in total numbers.
    PeteEU

  10. #20
    Sage
    apdst's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Bagdad, La.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    76,215

    Re: Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No harm at all if it was not so ****ing selective. We have seen it through history.. Jews and the yellow star of David, Blacks in black only areas like toilets and back of buses, and the targeted Italian laws against the Romani. Very selective legislation sucks donkey balls and is the start of a slippery road that leads down to dictatorship and worse. In this case it is welfare recipients, which in most cases vote for the other guy. And funny enough, if they loose their government money, then they most likely very quickly become homeless or even more criminal which funny enough means they cant vote... awwwww.

    And I have no problem what so ever that anyone getting a government handout.. tax break, subsidy and so on, should be required to do certain things, and that can include drug testing. I really want every Exxon employee in the US to undergo government mandated drug testing every 6 months if Exxon is to get those billions in subsidies and tax breaks on top of their non payment of taxes.. Just one drugged up employee, and bye bye all those perks I say.
    They do it more often than that, actually--pre-employment drug screens, quarterly random drug screens, post accident drug screens. Yeah, welcome to the real world.

    And, one drugged up employee means buh-bye to that employee.

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •