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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    First step in the right direction. Plus it put many democrats in a tough spot. Either be on the side of increased debt and no spending cuts or on the side of the public in general.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I say make an agreement to cut welfare, medicaid, and foodstamps by 20% over the next 5 years. Make this cut mandatory, but also make it contingent upon true reformations of the program.

    Slowly convert all welfare programs over to work-to-play programs that require the recipients to either attend trade classes (at no cost) or volunteer in trade positions where knowledge gained can be used for future employment. Withhold payments when requirements aren't met.

    For medicaid, revise recipient contributions based on means testing. Have a sliding scale of co-pay requirements, with no deductible. Provide incentives (discounted co-pays, bonus pay-outs) for patients who avoid the ER and utilized PCPs instead.

    For medicare, do much of the same. Another poster suggested making BigPharm bid for the opportunity to be the primary perscription provider for specific medications. Do this for both healthcare programs. Provide no incentives for being the winning bidder (i.e. tax cuts or credits).

    Food stamps become more complicated. Cut the amount recipients receive by 10%, work out discounts on fresh, healthy foods (fruits/veggies/healthy meats) and charge taxes on unhealthy choices equal to but not exceeding the local sales tax rate.

    Cut defense a minimum of 20%. Reduce troop sizes in foreign, non-combatant countries. Review and eliminate all wasteful defense contracts (including mercinary forces and equipment manufacturing).

    Sell off unused property, shop for lower-rent properties for necessary buildings.

    Remove redundant, out-dated, or unnecessary departments.

    50% reduction in annual pay raises, or a law mandating that pay raises not exceed the rate of inflation.

    Use low-security, non-violent criminals for labor to maintain government lands and facilities, offer reduced sentencing options or job placement aid for those criminals who qualify and who voluntarily join these labor groups.

    Cut all subsidies for corn, wheat, soybeans, and oil. Cut or reduce all other subsidies, as well.

    Require a super majority vote for all spending on "pork" or "pet projects".

    Require government employees to contribute to pension and healthcare services. Those leaving government work may keep their pensions, but should lose healthcare benefits.

    That's just a start...
    Sounds good, but not sure. Pay raises are already frozen, and never exceed inflation anyway. Retired federal employees don't get health benefits beyond Medicare.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sounds good, but not sure. Pay raises are already frozen, and never exceed inflation anyway. Retired federal employees don't get health benefits beyond Medicare.
    Pay raises are frozen for now, and they've experienced raises above inflation..at least the legislature and president have.

    One other thing...Create a pay cap for positions within the government. Like, a Czar can only make x-amount, a senator caps at x-amount, etc.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    The ones looking bad here are the Dems. They demanded this vote, and then had a bunch of Dem's vote it down. It weakens Obama's political capital on this matter greatly.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Pay raises are frozen for now, and they've experienced raises above inflation..at least the legislature and president have.

    One other thing...Create a pay cap for positions within the government. Like, a Czar can only make x-amount, a senator caps at x-amount, etc.
    When speaking of pay raises, it is usually understood to mean federal employees who make up the majority of employment. Elected official are in a category all their own, and are under their own control. I know it's easy to make broad statements about pay, because it is emotionally charged. The pay freeze is in effect because of the budget situation. No one makes more than the President. Congress makes it's own rules.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    yes, it weakens the president's political capital on this greatly

    the party in power is capitulating

    there WILL be significant cuts as well as substantial structural reforms in conjunction with the inevitable raising of the roof

    stay tuned

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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Wow, that's kind of cool. What's the point of having a debt ceiling if you are gonna raise it at will?
    Market stability.

    So far, the market is down 150 points already. We'll see where it goes.

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    At last check, down 190 points.

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    Down 220. Hmm...
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Spending does have to be cut, but token spending cuts like the ones we saw before the last budget agreements are merely cutting the tail off the fish, if all you're cutting is discretionary spending, the fish needs to be gutted to the bone, I.E. serious looks at Medicare, medicaid, SS and Defence, none of the spending cuts likely to come out of a deal, if any is made, will mean anything in the long term.
    You know that Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not discretionary, amount to 217% of defense spending and 115% of total discretionary spending.
    Right?
    (FY2009 numbers)

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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The ones looking bad here are the Dems. They demanded this vote, and then had a bunch of Dem's vote it down. It weakens Obama's political capital on this matter greatly.
    So, if the markets continue to tank due to this vote, do you still think it will more negatively affect Democrats instead of Republicans?

    So far, we're down 220 points - and analysts are going to say it's because of default concerns over the vote not to raise the debt ceiling. It does have to do with other numbers, but it's still dangerous.
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    Re: House rejects debt ceiling increase

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    You know that Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are not discretionary, amount to 217% of defense spending and 115% of total discretionary spending.
    Right?
    (FY2009 numbers)
    Whats your point?

    I'm saying those things are the problem, but defense must be looked at too...

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