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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...my bad for jumping on you. I looked at the post before Oscars...someone else jumped in with the abortion thing. You got hit by the splatter...guilt by association. Sorry.

    I take this topic very seriously...more than most people. I work with this situation every day. I give of both my own time and resources. It drives me insane how much we actually give away in social programs to those that dont need it. Its painful knowing that our system enables capable individuals to do absiolutely nothign with their lives and it isnt just for a year or two...its for DECADES. Its not doing them any favors. Case in point...37 year old male...11 trips to the hospital in 30 days. Med seeking. Enabled by the system for 14 years, then dumped. Setting aside the human tragedy for a second, 8 of those visits involved ER visits and labwork to the tune of about 1400 a visit. 3 involved stays in the Intensive Care unit at a cost of about 2500 a day. My math is a little rough, but for the month of may, the taxpayers in the county will be handed a bill for unfunded services totalling about $34000.00. ANd thats just for this month. He isnt 'fixed'. He will either keep coming here or go to another county. He is 37. He has been doing this since he was denied benefits 3 years ago (so none of this includes the cost to the taxpayers for 14 years). He will continue to do this. Figuring this to be an 'average' month, just imagine what this one person costs taxpayers in a given year. Imagine that number multiplied by thousands. Its not that we arent putting money into the social services system, it is we arent monitoring it, arent governing it, and arent careful with who gets placed in it. For every one of this guy there are at least as many truly needy individuals.

    Edit...for comparison, across the city there is a 54 year old male...similar circumstances...trying to get into a secure psych facility nor for the 8th time since January. He also has been in the system since his 20's. He is non med compliant, doesnt follow up with his medical state funded) provider, doesnt go to therapy, drinks his disablity checks away by the first week, then is a sad panda and needs to be housed because he cant take care of humself for the next three weeks. He has learned all he as to say is the magic words and hospitals give him what he wants. If the hospital dares to say, sorry dood...not buyin it...well then he leaves, cuts himself with a piece of glass...and sues everyone that he has come into contact with since he got to the hospital.
    First, thank you for the apology. 'Tis a rare thing in cyberspace, so I appreciate it all the more.

    I can understand your frustration. Being in the trenches, you see the worst of humanity. I have the luxury, for lack of a better term, of not knowing what you know, but for my experience with a family member and a few acquaintances. They are infuriating enough, but to live with it as you do, it would surely harden a person.

    I also know people who have done everything right and are in dire straits. They have had to engage every public resource possible to keep their families together and fed. As a young woman, I knew many others who weren't lucky like me to have health insurance via a job as they were starving students in college. So, Planned Parenthood was their resource for birth control pills, pelvic and breast exams. They weren't sponges on society, just in need of affordable basic health care.

    I understand where you come from. I would be hard put not to feel the same.

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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because he threatened suicide, claims to have ODed on NyQuil and sleeping pills, and pretend vomited blood. Told responding officers he was suicidal. Failed to respond to verbal commands in ER. Its not like after 20 years these folks dont know the game.
    Edit...I knew I forgot something...he also said he ODed on Melatonin.

    Previous stays he said he OD'd on Tylenol. It doesnt take much to land on a medical floor or ICU.

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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Because he threatened suicide, claims to have ODed on NyQuil and sleeping pills, and pretend vomited blood. Told responding officers he was suicidal. Failed to respond to verbal commands in ER. Its not like after 20 years these folks dont know the game.

    That is not ICU. The Intensive Care Unit is for something to with the body where they have you hooked up to all kinds of monitors. And the guy does not belong there there. He belongs i the psych ward on suicide watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    That is not ICU. The Intensive Care Unit is for something to with the body where they have you hooked up to all kinds of monitors. And the guy does not belong there there. He belongs i the psych ward on suicide watch.
    Dood...please...

    Most psych units do not handle med cases and do not recieve psych patients until they are medically cleared. You REALLY want to do this? I am citing not some faniciful hypothetical but a real patient discharged today from the ICU. By me. Geez-us...

    Edit...OK...now that Ive chilled a little (sorry...it gets comical when people try to tell me what 'is')...

    I work with 9 hospitals and in and out of network. Im not affiliated with any of them adminsitratively so I dont have a dog in the fight. I can tell you that it is SOP to place ALL suicidal patients with medical concerns in the ICU. Medical floors dont have the monitoring capabilities. Most psych units do not have the medical capabilities. Hospitals cant afford the liability of releasing them. Something as 'simple' (relative term...it can be devastating to ones organs) as a tylenol overdose frequently requires intravenous treatment for a prescribed time. That is on rare occasions done in the ER when there isnt bed availability in an ICU and they can be held for up to 30 hours. It is typically done in an ICU. Hospitals in your area may be different but I kinda doubt it.
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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Through out this thread I kept hearing people complain that the "majority" or "a lot of people" are on foodstamps just because they don't want to work or because they pop out children like its going out of style just so they can recieve more free money. I would like these people that claim this to provide proof of this.
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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If you are actually fully disabled than I am just as pissed as you that there are so many that are NOT and abusing the system and stealing resources intended for you.

    I started out my wonderful journey at the county hospital, Parkland Dallas Texas. When I walked in I had pitting edema up to my waist. All I thought was "well I'm swollen for some reason another."

    With in a couple of hours there was a team of cardiologists saying "Hi welcome to the cardiac unit."

    I really had these guys running around. It took them forever to figure out the cause of this. It was not crack, it was not alcoholism, it was not a virus. It turned out to be a very rare defect in the heart itself called isolated left ventricular non-compaction.

    At the time my heart was working with a 10% ejection fraction. That is not very good. It was confirmed by several different tests and methods. And I'm told heart transplant. That is some pretty dog gone serious ****!

    So any hows there I am stuck in the county hospital with no insurance trying to figure all this **** out. I apply to Social Security for disability to just pay some of these bills. I have to go to a SS psychologist and I have to go to a SS internist. The internist orders an echo cardiogram. About six months later I'm on full disability. No fights no lawyers.

    Now Today I have regular appointments at a transplant center and I take a butt load of drugs.

    Am I disabled? I would rather think not. But I have to face reality and I know I would not be going to a transplant center unless they saw reason for it.

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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

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    Wow. This is a shame. Corporations get bailed out, multi-billion dollar wars get waged, the top 1% get tax breaks, and yet we can't even manage to feed our own people. I truly worry for the future of this country.
    This is only the beginning. At one time, this country put aside a years worth of extra food supply for the population. It was later decided that expenses needed to be cut, and now there is less than two days. If inflation gets out of control-and it will-food will disappear from the shelves. Prepare for it. Or don't , but when the food does run out, don't wait for the government to save you.
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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dood...please...

    Most psych units do not handle med cases and do not recieve psych patients until they are medically cleared. You REALLY want to do this? I am citing not some faniciful hypothetical but a real patient discharged today from the ICU. By me. Geez-us...

    Edit...OK...now that Ive chilled a little (sorry...it gets comical when people try to tell me what 'is')...

    I work with 9 hospitals and in and out of network. Im not affiliated with any of them adminsitratively so I dont have a dog in the fight. I can tell you that it is SOP to place ALL suicidal patients with medical concerns in the ICU. Medical floors dont have the monitoring capabilities. Most psych units do not have the medical capabilities. Hospitals cant afford the liability of releasing them. Something as 'simple' (relative term...it can be devastating to ones organs) as a tylenol overdose frequently requires intravenous treatment for a prescribed time. That is on rare occasions done in the ER when there isnt bed availability in an ICU and they can be held for up to 30 hours. It is typically done in an ICU. Hospitals in your area may be different but I kinda doubt it.
    That makes more sense now.

    BTW Parkland, Dallas Texas is getting busted big time on a psych case right now. You can google it if you want to.

    Parkland are the people that pretty much saved my life though. And I think they are getting shafted on this psych case deal.
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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well screw the poor and take care of the rich. Seems to be the way to do things these days
    The rich are taking care of the poor, just maybe not the way you like. You want the rich to give so much everybody ends up poor.

    New Mexicans who qualify for $16 a month in federal food stamps — the minimum amount from the federal government — also get an extra $9 a month from the state to make certain their combined assistance is $25.

    But the Democratic-controlled Legislature provided no money to continue the supplemental benefits in the upcoming budget year, which starts July 1.
    The more Democrats "give" people the more they screw things up. Also do you think those 4,000 people getting the "supplimental foodstamps" on top of their regular food stamps are all old and disabled? Are they too old and disabled to go to food banks if they run out of food stamps before the month is over?
    I can't believe you liberals are whining about this. what are you going to do when real cuts are made? Oh never mind. You'll be rioting in the streets, throwing bricks through windows demanding to be fed, clothed, housed, educated, bathed and have your butts wiped for you. Francis Fox Piven dream come true.
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    Re: New Mexico to end food stamp supplement

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I started out my wonderful journey at the county hospital, Parkland Dallas Texas. When I walked in I had pitting edema up to my waist. All I thought was "well I'm swollen for some reason another."

    With in a couple of hours there was a team of cardiologists saying "Hi welcome to the cardiac unit."

    I really had these guys running around. It took them forever to figure out the cause of this. It was not crack, it was not alcoholism, it was not a virus. It turned out to be a very rare defect in the heart itself called isolated left ventricular non-compaction.

    At the time my heart was working with a 10% ejection fraction. That is not very good. It was confirmed by several different tests and methods. And I'm told heart transplant. That is some pretty dog gone serious ****!

    So any hows there I am stuck in the county hospital with no insurance trying to figure all this **** out. I apply to Social Security for disability to just pay some of these bills. I have to go to a SS psychologist and I have to go to a SS internist. The internist orders an echo cardiogram. About six months later I'm on full disability. No fights no lawyers.

    Now Today I have regular appointments at a transplant center and I take a butt load of drugs.

    Am I disabled? I would rather think not. But I have to face reality and I know I would not be going to a transplant center unless they saw reason for it.
    I hope the doctors are successful and some day you know full health. You are not alone and the system was created to help the truly needy. I dont begrudge you a penny. I only wish there were more resources for those that actually NEED them. Far too often it is not the case. I'll have good thoughts for you. Less benevolent thoughts for those that make it harder to help families like yours.

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