"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
I'm not saying he's a "good guy" either... shades of grey. There's a reason why the founding fathers wanted a policy of non-intervention, it gets messy, and when you get your hands in every countries internal fights you wind up in a situation like we've created where we are now in a position of supporting a group that we are fighting in another part of the world.
Umm... care to read what you are responding to next time?? The treachery was the example of offering support to both sides of a war... it was meant as a simplified analogy of getting your hands dirty supporting groups in some cases while being at war with them in other cases, etc...And what "treachery" exactly??
Ok, let's just say that there was a massive uprising in the US... are you HONESTLY going to try and tell me that the army would not shoot down this insurrection??Certainly not but the case of Libya is different, because the Libyan leader has decided to massacre his own people and the displacement of that war has come at the expense of European security.
But I suppose that makes sense... now, we are supporting al-quaida in the middle east on behalf of europe. That makes perfect sense... why didn't I think of that.
Oh, so you actually believe that if Libya's major export was... I dunno, say broccoli, that we would still be taking part in this??A quick decisive victory from either side would be beneficial for us from a security and energy security viewpoint, sure. However to actively support a leader who is leading a genocide against his own people make US criminals. We should water the budding roots of every Democratic movement everywhere - this isnt imperialism, this is us supporting human rights and human dignity because we know no other system on this planet is better suited for this job.
And then, we are installing democracy, so I must hate democracy now... wow, you really buy into FOX / CNN without question. Anyway, Egypt had a CHANCE to become a 'democracy' but instead they were given a new military dictatorship, and we're fine with that... So, what's your plan after the middle east is all democracies?? Bring democracy to China??
Human rights - Wow, this is great... we are their committing human atrocities in the name of human rights and dignity. Can we spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y??
Murdering women and children to save women and children... have you really thought through all the ramifications of your positions here??? I could swear that, on this issue at least, that you believe absolutely unquestioningly everything that's come out of FOX / CNN about the middle east??And it is through our humanity we seek to help the rebels, and through warfare we are forced to achieve it. If removing Muammer ends the murder of children and innocent women, then i support it.