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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I believe the underlined part was the part being used to attempt to refute the amendment
    The clause their using is Article IV Section IV Clause I: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

    The clause doesn't fit since it actually protects the clauses in Colorado's Constitution that allow the people to alter or abolish their Constitution and government.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I am staying on topic, are you ? It is your post and it appears you do not believe the Republic we have in the USA is democratic, but to ease your mind I have read it several times and appear to have a better understanding of it than you do.
    If you understood the US Constitution, you wouldn’t have asked me if I think it is “democratic” after I said it is a Constitutional Republic.

    As for you having a better understanding of it than me, we shall see.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    The way I see it, since the states have the right to a "Republican" form of government, and not a direct democracy, there is a basis for the lawsuit. However, in the end, it is the people themselves who have the last word, and that, of course, is in the voting booth. If they don't like what their elected representatives are doing, then they have the right to "throw the bums out". In the end, the effect of having a Republican form of government is not that much different from having a direct democracy.
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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The way I see it, since the states have the right to a "Republican" form of government, and not a direct democracy, there is a basis for the lawsuit. However, in the end, it is the people themselves who have the last word, and that, of course, is in the voting booth. If they don't like what their elected representatives are doing, then they have the right to "throw the bums out". In the end, the effect of having a Republican form of government is not that much different from having a direct democracy.
    Except the lawsuit at hand seeks to restrict the restrictions voters choose to place upon government.

    This lawsuit isn’t going anywhere anyway. See PACIFIC STATES TEL. & TEL. CO. V. OREGON, 223 U. S. 118 (1912).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This article just blows me away. State lawmakers and local government officials are challenging the constitutionality of the Colorado's Taxpayer's Bill of Rights.



    It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so stinking sad that elected officials think they need less democracy to better represent their constituents. The lawsuit says, among other things:




    So these Republicans and Democrats believe that their constituents are infringing upon the constitutional right of the state government to tax and spend as much as it wants?


    How are idiots like this getting elected?



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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Conservatives keep pointing out that we're a republic.

    This is what a republic is. We elect people to represent us, they make the decisions. Not us directly.

    Changed your minds, have you?
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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Conservatives keep pointing out that we're a republic.

    This is what a republic is. We elect people to represent us, they make the decisions. Not us directly.

    Changed your minds, have you?
    The galactic irony coming from the side that would like to substitute the communist manifesto in place of our constitution, asks if we want to do away with our republic. Smarminess and hackery all at once.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Conservatives keep pointing out that we're a republic.

    This is what a republic is. We elect people to represent us, they make the decisions. Not us directly.

    Changed your minds, have you?
    The number of democrat plaintiffs in this lawsuit are about twice the number of republican plaintiffs so I fail to see how your point is relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    I laugh at people who act like we are being represented by those in government.

    So what if my minuscule vote contributed to their election? I don't have any control over the decisions they make. Even if they make 90% of the decisions that I agree with, the other 10% I can't stop them from doing. And if the response is that I should vote them out if I don't like what they're doing - how the hell does that help me once they're in office? And by the time I can vote them out, they have passed laws that are hard or impossible to undo.

    I accept the reality, but calling our political system a democracy is a joke. The aristocrats get elected, then they do what they want - basically. It's always been this way. We have separate branches of government to sort of balance it out, but all those branches are occupied by aristocrats also.

    But yeah, power to the people!... and all that.

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    Re: Lawsuit challenges constitutionality of Colorado's TABOR amendment

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The galactic irony coming from the side that would like to substitute the communist manifesto in place of our constitution, asks if we want to do away with our republic. Smarminess and hackery all at once.

    What a bizarre interpretation of both reality and my post.
    Communist manifesto? Is that what you really think about liberals? You should probably listen to Limbaugh less often.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The number of democrat plaintiffs in this lawsuit are about twice the number of republican plaintiffs so I fail to see how your point is relevant.
    My point is that damn near every time a liberal says we're a Democracy, some conservative chimes in and says "NUH UH, WE'RE A REPUBLIC!" As if those two things are somehow mutually exclusive in the first place. But then they're always willing to play the "will of the people" card when it comes to whatever platform they support happens to have a 50.04% vote in favor of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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