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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Why do people who clearly hate the Nation that gives them the right to Ant-American move to one the Nations they adore, or run for public office and make change from within.

    It's not that hard. If I can do it anyone came.

    Oh that's right you have to have a message that makes sense be able to present policies that are logical and popular.

    There is always Obama did it, just learn read what other people write for you off a teleprompter and lie you ass off about what you really stand for, then be prepared to lie to cover those lies, than deny the truth at every turn.

    It wouldn't hurt for you to get the whack jobs in the Liberal Media on your side and agree never to tell the truth.

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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Why do people who clearly hate the Nation that gives them the right to Ant-American move to one the Nations they adore, or run for public office and make change from within.

    It's not that hard. If I can do it anyone came.

    Oh that's right you have to have a message that makes sense be able to present policies that are logical and popular.

    There is always Obama did it, just learn read what other people write for you off a teleprompter and lie you ass off about what you really stand for, then be prepared to lie to cover those lies, than deny the truth at every turn.

    It wouldn't hurt for you to get the whack jobs in the Liberal Media on your side and agree never to tell the truth.
    What are you talking about?

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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    So saying Georgia is a ****hole is not prejudiced, whereas calling a spade a spade by noting the oligarchial rule of Russia, inclusive as it is of intimidation of domestic reformers and the media, Putins ill gotten wealth at the humble citizens expense and the axis of corrupt countries that happen to surround it is prejudiced?
    Georgia is a ****hole, their president is a madman and he tried to force the small states from breaking free by waging war against them. ofcourse in the American media Russia came out as the badman for invading Georgia with for no reason, when they were just helping the breakaway regions from suppression and Georgian genocide and civil war.

    Russia is no perfect country, but they are moving in a positive direction and have improved a lot. Obligarch rule of Russia? Perhaps, but that is not that much worse than the weirdo half fascist closed elite group of rulers we have in the west who use democracy as an excuse for dictatorship. The west is moving in the wrong direction..

    I am fully more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is positively changing than someone who is negatively changing. Georgia yes is far more of a repressive ****hole than Russia.
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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia — RT

    Georgian police brutally cracks down on regime protestors. this ofcourse goes unreported in the US where the fascists in Washinton DC are known to support the madman Saakashvili of Georgia.
    WTF are you talking about? The US government hasn't supported Saakashvili since 2008. And even then it wasn't "the fascists in Washington DC," it was George W. Bush specifically. Obama doesn't give a damn about Saakashvili, and has been quite successful at repairing US-Russia relations. Saakashvili has been becoming more authoritarian for quite some time now, and he has very few friends left in Washington.

    But I guess that doesn't fit into your narrative of how evil America is. Time for you to switch gears and talk about how horrible we fascists are for siding against a lovely individual like Saakashvili.
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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    WTF are you talking about? The US government hasn't supported Saakashvili since 2008. And even then it wasn't "the fascists in Washington DC," it was George W. Bush specifically. Obama doesn't give a damn about Saakashvili, and has been quite successful at repairing US-Russia relations. Saakashvili has been becoming more authoritarian for quite some time now, and he has very few friends left in Washington.

    But I guess that doesn't fit into your narrative of how evil America is. Time for you to switch gears and talk about how horrible we fascists are for siding against a lovely individual like Saakashvili.
    Georgia was like this the whole time, your government supported them allthewhile and your country made Russia out to be bad for saving Abkhazia and South Ossetia from suppression and genocide, and protecting Georgia from civil war.

    I believed the whole time it makes no difference if its Bush or Obama, republicans or democratcs. Its all the same rotten shi* anyways.
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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Georgia was like this the whole time, your government supported them allthewhile and your country made Russia out to be bad for saving Abkhazia and South Ossetia from suppression and genocide, and protecting Georgia from civil war.

    I believed the whole time it makes no difference if its Bush or Obama, republicans or democratcs. Its all the same rotten shi* anyways.
    If the Georgia-Russia War repeated today, the US government would fall somewhere between a neutral, hands-off approach and a mildly pro-Russian approach. To claim that Saakashvili still has much support in Washington is factually incorrect, and the only reason you even bring it up is so that you have an excuse to rant about how horrible America is.
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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the Georgia-Russia War repeated today, the US government would fall somewhere between a neutral, hands-off approach and a mildly pro-Russian approach. To claim that Saakashvili still has much support in Washington is factually incorrect, and the only reason you even bring it up is so that you have an excuse to rant about how horrible America is.
    I was under the impression that Georgia was being groomed for NATO...
    As with many other countries in Eastern Europe wikileaks provides some interesting insight on this topic. Things may seem friendly on the US's part but it's apparently playing a game behind Russia's back. (Arming and training folks all over eastern europe to balance russia *tip*tip*)

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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I was under the impression that Georgia was being groomed for NATO...
    As with many other countries in Eastern Europe wikileaks provides some interesting insight on this topic. Things may seem friendly on the US's part but it's apparently playing a game behind Russia's back. (Arming and training folks all over eastern europe to balance russia *tip*tip*)
    Ya, it's been the US policy to keep Russia in check for a long time. Although the US is trying to avoid openly antagonizing Russia, because our relationship with them is important too. Far more important than our relationship with Georgia, IMO.

    As for Georgia joining NATO...I really doubt it's going to happen anytime soon. Saakashvili's authoritarianism has made that politically difficult, and he's lost any moral high ground that he may have been able to claim during the 2008 as a democratic leader standing up to an authoritarian Russia.

    The whole region would be better off if the Georgian people got rid of Saakashvili. As for the breakaway provinces, I would suggest that Obama offers Russia a deal: we'll recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent nations, if Russia agrees to recognize Kosovo.
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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    NATO's eastern European branch is located in Tiblisi, or going to be. It'd be quite a step back for them not to join while the train is rolling.

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    Re: Russia, European Commission condemn violence against opposition in Georgia

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the Georgia-Russia War repeated today, the US government would fall somewhere between a neutral, hands-off approach and a mildly pro-Russian approach. To claim that Saakashvili still has much support in Washington is factually incorrect, and the only reason you even bring it up is so that you have an excuse to rant about how horrible America is.
    I dont see the US in this headline. and sorry then for saying the US government still support Georgia when it is perhaps only the us media.
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