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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd prefer them not always take orders and instead think.

    Some laws are completely arbitrary and unjust, I'd prefer them to not enforce those.
    What if they are thinking?

    What if they are thinking that...

    "The best way to get rid of an unjust law is to enforce it."

    I notice that comment got ignored the first time I mentioned it in this thread.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Is smoking allowed inside these Washington Monuments? If not, would you be ok with it if police refused to enforce the no smoking law if 100 people lit up and puffed away in protest of the law?

    What if 100 people pulled out crack pipes and started smoking crack in the monuments?
    Victimless crimes hurt no one, the ones you listed could have side effects on non using bystanders.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What if they are thinking?

    What if they are thinking that...

    "The best way to get rid of an unjust law is to enforce it."

    I notice that comment got ignored the first time I mentioned it in this thread.
    The best way to get rid of an unjust law, is to not enforce it.
    It gives it no weight or power, the unjust law becomes flaccid.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    The implication is that they follow orders and the specific orders are to use force against people who are in no way harming others. Do you find this humerous?
    No. Law Enforcement Officers are authorized to make arrests for violations of the law that are above an infraction. (There are infractions, misdemeanors, and felonies, in that order). Any Law Enforcement Officer that is attempting to effect an arrest may use the force that is reasonable and prudent in the circumstance of resistance they are facing. Nowhere does it say that the crime have to be one which is harming others in order for officers to use force. Use of force is not a PUNISHMENT, it is a tool used to make an arrest in a situation where one is resisting that arrest.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The best way to get rid of an unjust law, is to not enforce it.
    It gives it no weight or power, the unjust law becomes flaccid.
    But it remains to be used at a later date.

    Enforcing the law and bringing the matter before the courts so that the courts can properly rule that the law is unconstitutional is how one sets a precedent and closes a "loophole" of sorts for law enforcement to use at a later date or time if the circumstances fit.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Victimless crimes hurt no one, the ones you listed could have side effects on non using bystanders.
    Dancing could have side effects on non dancing bystanders.... If you want to go that petty route.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Dancing could have side effects on non dancing bystanders.... If you want to go that petty route.
    It this particular case, it didn't.
    That's the problem, the arrests were for a victimless crime.

    No one got hurt, except the people dancing.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    When that Authority governs how we (law enforcement) operate.. yes, I will appeal to authority.
    It's funny that you keep forgetting that under all of the state Constitutions state that all authority rests in the hands of the people and stems from it.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It this particular case, it didn't.
    That's the problem, the arrests were for a victimless crime.

    No one got hurt, except the people dancing.
    The people dancing didn't get hurt.... can you show me where they did?

    If you are going to cite the guy yelling about his shoulder... I would suggest you re-watch the video because it appears that the longer haired guy in the white shirt complaining about his shoulder was actually speaking to the idiot fellow protestor who grabbed his shoulder and tried to pull him away when the officer went to arrest him. The guy who started yelling about his shoulder was complying with the officer before his idiot buddy started trying to pull him away. His own protestor buddy was the one who caused that injury. Officer and White-Shirt Longer Haired protestor were doing just fine with the peaceful arrest procedure.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    It's funny that you keep forgetting that under all of the state Constitutions state that all authority rests in the hands of the people and stems from it.
    But can you tell me how it applies?

    The way you suggest it means that If I go to arrest a drunk driver tonight, and he says, "Im not giving you the authority to arrest me" Im supposed to just stop......

    Making this generalized statement means nothing if you can't show how it actually applies, its nothing more than empty rhetoric.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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