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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

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    We were the victims. That's a national monument, federal park land. People visiting the monument have an expectation of safety.

    Get a permit or use a free speech zone. But don't inconvenience other people for your own comedy show.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

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    (Does anybody have a weather report from Hell? I think it just froze over..... )


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    I was thinking the same thing. Other than the “give them a beat down” part, I agree with hazlnut.

    It must be snowing in hell right now.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. Other than the “give them a beat down” part, I agree with hazlnut.

    It must be snowing in hell right now.
    Hazlnut has actually shown himself to be quite supportive of law enforcement and not the petty rabbling idiocy that others in this thread are defending.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    I wonder if the same people sided on the same side of the fence back when the Scouts visiting the Lincoln memorial were told not to recite the Pledge.....

    This is dumb. These people were purposely baiting the police, and when told to move along, they continued. On the other hand, I don't see where the excessive use of force in arresting these people was necessary.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I wonder if the same people sided on the same side of the fence back when the Scouts visiting the Lincoln memorial were told not to recite the Pledge.....

    This is dumb. These people were purposely baiting the police, and when told to move along, they continued. On the other hand, I don't see where the excessive use of force in arresting these people was necessary.

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    Can you tell me what was excessive?
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Can you tell me what was excessive?
    Like I said, I am kind of torn on the whole thing, and not knowing the entire circumstance leading up to the arrests leaves me with just the images on the video, and we all know how that can be manipulated context wise.

    But, I thought that throwing the one guy to the ground was a little much, and I do understand the need of protecting the safety of the officer. I just don't know, if these people, these 6 people that thought of themselves as some sort of "flashmob" were told earlier to move along, and didn't, then they got what was coming. But the one guy was being told that this was his last warning with his hands raised, as he was being body slammed.

    I don't know, what do you think?

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Like I said, I am kind of torn on the whole thing, and not knowing the entire circumstance leading up to the arrests leaves me with just the images on the video, and we all know how that can be manipulated context wise.

    But, I thought that throwing the one guy to the ground was a little much, and I do understand the need of protecting the safety of the officer. I just don't know, if these people, these 6 people that thought of themselves as some sort of "flashmob" were told earlier to move along, and didn't, then they got what was coming. But the one guy was being told that this was his last warning with his hands raised, as he was being body slammed.

    I don't know, what do you think?

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    He was raising his hands to prevent them from being placed behind his back for arrest. The officer attempted to just move his hands behind his back a few times and warned him. He was more or less picked up and dropped on his butt then pushed to his back. A body slam would have been slamming him down on his back and head.
    The only thing that concerned me was the grabbing of his throat after he was put on the ground. But I don't know the level of force the "hand on throat" move was being given by the officer. I have no clue of knowing whether it was a choke move or if he was just giving enough force to keep the head and shoulders of the subject on the ground.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    He was raising his hands to prevent them from being placed behind his back for arrest. The officer attempted to just move his hands behind his back a few times and warned him. He was more or less picked up and dropped on his butt then pushed to his back. A body slam would have been slamming him down on his back and head.
    The only thing that concerned me was the grabbing of his throat after he was put on the ground. But I don't know the level of force the "hand on throat" move was being given by the officer. I have no clue of knowing whether it was a choke move or if he was just giving enough force to keep the head and shoulders of the subject on the ground.
    Yeah, I forgot about the choke....That also was a little disturbing. But, I generally give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, they do a tough job.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, I forgot about the choke....That also was a little disturbing. But, I generally give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt, they do a tough job.

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    I re-watched the video to make sure my memory didn't become inaccurate.
    In the video I posted there is a 2nd camera angle, in it you can see the officer actually dropped the guy on his side, whether that was the intent or not I don't know.
    Often times things don't go as officers plan in using force to effect an arrest. I have no way of knowing if that was the intent of the pickup and drop part or not.

    On a different note, the takedown move is what is considered in my departmental policy as "soft-empty hand techniques" which are right after verbal commands (which were not working, obviously). So it appears as if he has used the lowest level of physical force necessary to meet the level of resistance, which is "defensive resistance". This applies to the takedown move alone.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I re-watched the video to make sure my memory didn't become inaccurate.
    In the video I posted there is a 2nd camera angle, in it you can see the officer actually dropped the guy on his side, whether that was the intent or not I don't know.
    Often times things don't go as officers plan in using force to effect an arrest. I have no way of knowing if that was the intent of the pickup and drop part or not.

    On a different note, the takedown move is what is considered in my departmental policy as "soft-empty hand techniques" which are right after verbal commands (which were not working, obviously). So it appears as if he has used the lowest level of physical force necessary to meet the level of resistance, which is "defensive resistance". This applies to the takedown move alone.

    Yeah, granted. I generally try and do what law enforcement says to do, and avoid testing that area all together....know what I mean?

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