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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Patriot View Post
    I actually did answer your question, but I'll be more clearer. The final determination of what is legal, just, and constitutional rests in the hands of the people. It is a protected right in the Constitution of the United States and all of the state Constitutions. Do you or do you not support the protected right of the people to being the final authority on government?
    How do "the people" express their determination as a solidary unit?

    Or are you suggesting that if I arrest for drunk driving and they are drunk and their judgement is already impaired and they claim they are not drunk they are free to say screw you You can't arrest me and I have to say, "Well, my power rests in you so have a nice day and please kill some people on your drive home."

    See how your response of rhetoric is a failure to address the question?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    I don't care what stupidity they are authorized to do. Use some common sense or look like an idiot like these guys.
    I swear I think you are talking about the morons who went to the Memorial with the goal of getting arrested and resisting that arrest and creating a scene so they could video tape it.......
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post

    What if I decided to have sex with my partner on the Lincoln Memorial where everyone could see? Should I be arrested?
    I doubt you'd do this. But, as long as you cleaned up after yourself, what harm can proven? This is where morality has attempted to assert itself as law. Two very different things. Sex in public may not be something many would feel comfortable with, but no harm still exists by the act.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    How about if I went into a library and began to scream at the top of my lungs while you were trying to read a book or study? Should I be arrested?
    No. How about a ticket for disturbing the peace? Why waste our time with a physical assault and a jail sentence that punishes the tax payers, when we can simply give a citation?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    What if I decided to get naked and run across the field at a sporting event? Should I be arrested?
    Trespassing citation maybe? Naked, who cares? It's not like we are seeing anything we haven't seen before. Get over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    There is a difference between public and private. There are no laws against dancing, having sex, getting naked or screaming at the top of your lungs but there are laws that prohibit where you can and can’t do it.
    Whether it is public or private is not as significant in terms of a crime as whether an act causes harm to an innocent person. You may have the freedom of speech to yell "Fire" in a theatre, but if you cause people to be trampled to death you should be responsible for that, not for your right to express yourself. If you threaten a stranger with his life, he may be justified to take your own. Authorisation to do something is not good enough, we must be responsible for damage it causes.
    Last edited by empireofreason; 05-29-11 at 10:55 PM.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    How do "the people" express their determination as a solidary unit?

    Or are you suggesting that if I arrest for drunk driving and they are drunk and their judgement is already impaired and they claim they are not drunk they are free to say screw you You can't arrest me and I have to say, "Well, my power rests in you so have a nice day and please kill some people on your drive home."

    See how your response of rhetoric is a failure to address the question?
    Invalid Comparison logical fallacy in comparing a crime that has a victim to victimless crimes like dancing at a memorial. Try again with a different comparison.

    The right is an individual right like all protected rights in the Constitution of the United States and state Constitutions. Invalid comparison logical fallacy.

    I'm going to help you out with the definitions of rhetoric and law because you really appear to be confused between the two.
    rhet·o·ric
       [ret-er-ik]
    –noun
    1.
    (in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration or display; bombast.
    law
    1    [law]
    –noun
    2.
    any written or positive rule or collection of rules prescribed under the authority of the state or nation, as by the people in its constitution. Compare bylaw, statute law.
    I quoted the Constitutions which is law not rhetoric.

    Care to actually answer my question that I posed prior? I'll help you out so you can't say you didn't see it.

    Do you or do you not support the protected right of the people to being the final authority on government?
    Last edited by The_Patriot; 05-29-11 at 10:57 PM.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    I doubt you'd do this. But, as long as you cleaned up after yourself, what harm can proven? This is where morality has attempted to assert itself as law. Two very different things. Sex in public may not be something many would feel comfortable with, but no harm still exists by the act.

    No. How about a ticket for disturbing the peace? Why waste our time with a physical assault and a jail sentence that punishes the tax payers, when we can simply give a citation?


    Trespassing citation maybe? Naked, who cares? It's not like we are seeing anything we haven't seen before. Get over it.



    Whether it is public or private is not as significant in terms of a crime as whether an act causes harm to an innocent person. You may have the freedom of speech to yell "Fire" in a theatre, but if you cause people to be trampled to death you should be responsible for that, not for your right to express yourself. If you threaten a stranger with his life, he may be justified to take your own. Authorisation to do something is not good enough, we must be responsible for damage it causes.
    Do you condemn Islam as evil then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    No, it points out that the first to rush to Nazi comparisons loses the argument, loser.
    Because the argument has the word Nazi in it, it's a fallacy. This is self-obvious that such reasoning is flawed. You can't say that, na na na, na na. How childish of an argument!

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Do you condemn Islam as evil then?
    No, but they have many intellectual disabiilties when it comes to women's rights and nudity.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    Because the argument has the word Nazi in it, it's a fallacy. This is self-obvious that such reasoning is flawed. You can't say that, na na na, na na. How childish of an argument!
    Call it what you will. You made comparisons to Nazism in record time and even went so far as to compare the police who arrest lawbreakers to those who put Jews in ovens. Your comparisons were actually more troll like than anything but trolls invoke Godwin’s Law all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    We could make a new thread debating the effects of second hand smoke but I’ll concede that those weren’t the best examples.

    What if I decided to have sex with my partner on the Lincoln Memorial where everyone could see? Should I be arrested?

    How about if I went into a library and began to scream at the top of my lungs while you were trying to read a book or study? Should I be arrested?

    What if I decided to get naked and run across the field at a sporting event? Should I be arrested?

    There is a difference between public and private. There are no laws against dancing, having sex, getting naked or screaming at the top of your lungs but there are laws that prohibit where you can and can’t do it.
    None of the above is an example of free speech.
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    Re: RT presenter choked by police

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    No, but they have many intellectual disabiilties when it comes to women's rights and nudity.
    So, you view these cops as equal to Nazis who put Jews into ovens because they arrested people who broke the law but you consider it “intellectual disabilities” when it comes to Islam where such public actions would likely bring about years in prison or a possible death penalty.

    What is your religious or political affiliation? You obviously lack the ability to apply logic to an issue in a scientific manner so it must be religion or politics that drive your illogical arguments. Which is it?

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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