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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    American democracy died on 9/11 and will not be resurected. You gave up your freedomsm willingly, you get what you deserve. I have no pity for you.

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    Not surprisingly this goes silent past most people. the temporary freedom robbing patriot act legislations has been extended and will end up snuk into US society permanently..
    Sad day for democracy in the US, also shows there is not much difference between republicans and democrats or bush or obama.
    in a fascist country non of these make a difference.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This just isn’t true. A search warrant is required from a FISA Court for any of the actions you just described. Even the ACLU, who is vehemently opposed to this law, doesn’t make such contentions about warrantless searches.

    If what you describe were true, SCOTUS would have slapped this law down as unconstitutional a long time ago. You may not agree with the law but spreading misinformation about it only makes you look less educated on the topic.
    Let me clarify by pointing out that not all warrants must go through a FISA Court. The act does address courts with jurisdiction over the offence under investigation. In other words, warrants and subpoenas are still required for the actions you described and the act makes clear that they must be obtained through a “court of competent jurisdiction’.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Yukon View Post
    American democracy died on 9/11 and will not be resurected. You gave up your freedomsm willingly, you get what you deserve. I have no pity for you.
    I still have my freedoms so I’m not sure what you are talking about.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    The jerks in power always abuse the laws and even the Constitution itself. Do you propose that we get rid of the Constitution because of incorrect interpretations thereof or would you rather see us throw some of them in jail or out of office at a minimum?

    If these senators are privy to abuses of the law, they need to start impeaching whoever is culpable or having them brought before the courts for prosecution rather than whining about it publicly.

    Oh, thanks for your 5 seconds of brainless activity.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Yea Obama!! Yea hope and change!!!

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The jerks in power always abuse the laws and even the Constitution itself. Do you propose that we get rid of the Constitution because of incorrect interpretations thereof or would you rather see us throw some of them in jail or out of office at a minimum?

    If these senators are privy to abuses of the law, they need to start impeaching whoever is culpable or having them brought before the courts for prosecution rather than whining about it publicly.
    From the very first link I shared:

    "When the American people find out how their government has secretly interpreted the Patriot Act, they will be stunned and they will be angry," Wyden said in a prepared statement.

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    Wyden said his concerns are not confined to the text of the law itself but also apply to how it is carried out. He noted that actions taken under the Patriot Act are often cloaked in secrecy.

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    While Obama campaigned on reversing what he characterized as Bush administration civil rights abuses committed in the name of national security, Obama has since embraced measures such as the Patriot Act and invoking the state secrets privilege to bar certain activities from coming to light in court.
    Who would do the prosecuting? That would be the same Attorney General and the same US Attorneys who are interpreting the law so as to give the government the widest latitude possible under the law in question.

    Prosecutorial discretion is a powerful tool when abused.

    Another tactic they use is deploying questionable authority to get as much information from someone as they can, withdrawing their demands only when challenged. This tactic has been used often and quite successfully with National Security Letters -- they have never been successfully challenged in court, primarily because the government withdraws them before a finding can be made which limits their use and power.

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Oh, thanks for your 5 seconds of brainless activity.
    You're entirely welcome, and thank you for acknowledging that even 5 seconds of brainless activity can clearly demonstrate that the PATRIOT Act needs to go.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    From the very first link I shared:



    Who would do the prosecuting? That would be the same Attorney General and the same US Attorneys who are interpreting the law so as to give the government the widest latitude possible under the law in question.

    Prosecutorial discretion is a powerful tool when abused.

    Another tactic they use is deploying questionable authority to get as much information from someone as they can, withdrawing their demands only when challenged. This tactic has been used often and quite successfully with National Security Letters -- they have never been successfully challenged in court, primarily because the government withdraws them before a finding can be made which limits their use and power.



    You're entirely welcome, and thank you for acknowledging that even 5 seconds of brainless activity can clearly demonstrate that the PATRIOT Act needs to go.
    If we use your logic, the Constitution of the United States must go too. Maybe you can commit 10 seconds of real thought to the issue and realize that we canít throw out every law that gets abused by those in power or we would be left with no laws.

    The Patriot Act has helped stop a lot of attacks here in the US so its positives are obvious. If you want to scare me into thinking it is being abused, you will need to do more than give me the opinions of a couple of career liars who have political reasons for opposition thereto.

    Why donít you demand that your elected officials follow the letter of the law or get arrested/booted out of office rather than demand that good laws be thrown out due to abuse? Could it be that you support the bastardization of laws when it suits your political objectives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    As i said in the other thread that talked about them about to extend it...

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    Glad its being extended. Patriot will continue in the method it has over the past decade. The questionable and downright over the line portions of it will be stripped out through legislation and the court system, while the vast majority of the bill that is good, sound, and needed law that would never pass currently due to the partisan stigma now attached to it styas on the books. Its ridiculous to suggest our intelligence and survelliance laws should be based off things written in a time where the notion of a PAGER was science fiction, let alone a world where our phones can be as small as a driver's liscense and are so much more powerful then what was available then in giant mainframes that its like comparing a Model T to a 2011 Ferrari.

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    Re: US extends controversial Patriot Act

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The jerks in power always abuse the laws and even the Constitution itself. Do you propose that we get rid of the Constitution because of incorrect interpretations thereof or would you rather see us throw some of them in jail or out of office at a minimum?

    If these senators are privy to abuses of the law, they need to start impeaching whoever is culpable or having them brought before the courts for prosecution rather than whining about it publicly.

    Oh, thanks for your 5 seconds of brainless activity.
    I propose we UPHOLD the Constitution and when laws such as the Patriot Act (the name alone gives it away) acts against the rights and liberties of the People that it be struck down in full. I'll take the random chance of terrorists over the guaranteed misuse of power and loss of liberty involved with such government expanding laws as the Patriot Act.
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