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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    While I agree with this sentiment, the ordinance about trimming the trees has been on the books since 1978. Even stupid laws are the law.
    I don't think that crepe myrtles were a part of the original intent of the ordinance when it was passed.
    Trees are the property of who ever owns the property.So its none of the city,state or federal governments business what a church or any other property does with a tree on its property. They can cut it down,make it look like a dog, trim it down to the just the trunk its none of the government's business period. It would be like them dictating where in your house you can position your tv or couch.
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The damned thing is ridiculous. There is no call for this sort of... micro-managing. The people tho, are to blame. Until they stand up and demand, and elect folks that will over turn this stupidity, they have only themselves to blame.
    Thing to remember is that councils pass these kinds of laws because the people want them. There is popular demand for this kind of ridiculous meddling.

    So it's really even more the peoples' fault than you realize.

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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Thing to remember is that councils pass these kinds of laws because the people want them. There is popular demand for this kind of ridiculous meddling.

    So it's really even more the peoples' fault than you realize.
    I am not sure the people even realized their city council even passed such an idiotic ordinance and probably not made aware of the fact until a story like this comes up or they get fined for pruning their trees or bushes. The more local the election the less of a registered voter turnout and most people do not go to city council meetings.
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am not sure the people even realized their city council even passed such an idiotic ordinance and probably not made aware of the fact until a story like this comes up or they get fined for pruning their trees or bushes. The more local the election the less of a registered voter turnout and most people do not go to city council meetings.
    I agree, there's a little too much democracy in this country in some ways, people just don't have the time to meaningfully participate in it which leaves only those "fantical" about protecting trees or whatever else as the only ones who vote or influnce city gov't.

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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    It seems to me that the basic premise here (and it has to be) is that the governmnet of Charlotte owns all of the trees in the city. Not the individual who owns the land that the trees sit upon.

    Wonder what else the government owns...
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Their property, their trees, they should be allowed to do what they want with them.
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That's even more idiotic. What next do they want everyone to have certification to mow grass or garden?
    Well, so much for the summer mowing business for 13-year-olds... I made tons of money as a kid mowing lawns... Today, I would probably get cited like the kid a few months ago cited for selling lemonade without a permit...

    More government silliness...
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I agree, there's a little too much democracy in this country in some ways, people just don't have the time to meaningfully participate in it which leaves only those "fantical" about protecting trees or whatever else as the only ones who vote or influnce city gov't.
    Wouldn't you love to be in small New England towns that still use the town meeting form of government???
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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Trees are the property of who ever owns the property.So its none of the city,state or federal governments business what a church or any other property does with a tree on its property. They can cut it down,make it look like a dog, trim it down to the just the trunk its none of the government's business period. It would be like them dictating where in your house you can position your tv or couch.
    Nno, it's not exactly like that. As I said, I don't think that crepe myrtles are the intended target of the ordinance. I think it was written to cover oaks and elms. If you notice, public safety is cited as the reason for the ordinance. Large trees can have large impacts on others, so there is some reason as to why they could fall under the purview of local ordinances. Whereas the location of my TV is unlikely to have any adverse impact on neighbors or passers by.

    I think that the church should argue that the crepe myrtles are legally bushes the same way that tomatoes are legally vegetables.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Albemarle Road church fined $100 per branch for excessive tree pruning Read mo

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Wouldn't you love to be in small New England towns that still use the town meeting form of government???
    No because a small town or moderate sized city like Charleston only has enough authority to affect trival matters, things that actually matter are already handled at a higher level, which means people aren't interested in local gov't because its all trival, which means only those who have a strong interest in trival stuff, like how to prune trees, actually participate in city gov't.

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