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    Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Case'

    From Fox News:

    Republicans lawmakers are stepping up pressure on the Obama administration to craft a Plan B just in case budget talks fall through and the debt ceiling remains frozen past the Aug. 2 deadline Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has set.
    Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling, 'Just in Case' - FoxNews.com

    IMO, the White House should reject such a request (even as it should have a contingency plan in place for such a scenario). Accepting the request would be bad negotiating strategy. In general, if a party is asked for its "fallback position," once that position is made public, the "fallback position" becomes the new focus of negotiations.

    In the case of the current negotiations, the White House's accommodating the request would take away some of the uncertainty that exists with respect to failure to reach agreement. As such, it would take away some of the pressure to compromise to reach agreement. In turn, that reduced pressure would increase the risks of a failure to reach agreement.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Obama need to admit his proposals have not worked up to now and it's time for him to take another direction.


    But Obama can do no wrong so that will never happen

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    I think it's a little silly to say 'gee, you should have a fall back plan just in case the negotiations fall through'.

    That looks like the GOP is telegraphing their punch.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    What is annoying to me is how heavy both have played politics. They all know this **** will get done when it really matters. They aren't all that stupid afterall....are they?
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    What is annoying to me is how heavy both have played politics. They all know this **** will get done when it really matters. They aren't all that stupid afterall....are they?
    Of course they're that stupid. Climate deniers and sock puppets, no thinking required.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I think it's a little silly to say 'gee, you should have a fall back plan just in case the negotiations fall through'.

    That looks like the GOP is telegraphing their punch.
    Or like asking your poker opponent to play with their hand facing up.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    This is bull****. I truly can't believe the Republicans are even THINKING about not raising the debt ceiling. When you hear various senators telling the press that we wouldn't default if the debt ceiling wasn't raised, or that we could still pay our creditors first, or that it wouldn't be so bad if we DID default, it makes it much harder to walk back from the brink.

    Even if they reach a deal, it creates more uncertainty for the NEXT time the debt ceiling needs to be raised. It makes a default on our sovereign debt, which Ronald Reagan described as unthinkable, thinkable. We should get rid of the debt ceiling altogether. It is among the stupidest constructs of our legislature to date, and that's really saying a lot. No other country (that I'm aware of) takes on debt, and then calls a vote every year or so to decide whether or not to pay its debt.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
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    Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling, 'Just in Case' - FoxNews.com

    IMO, the White House should reject such a request (even as it should have a contingency plan in place for such a scenario). Accepting the request would be bad negotiating strategy. In general, if a party is asked for its "fallback position," once that position is made public, the "fallback position" becomes the new focus of negotiations.

    In the case of the current negotiations, the White House's accommodating the request would take away some of the uncertainty that exists with respect to failure to reach agreement. As such, it would take away some of the pressure to compromise to reach agreement. In turn, that reduced pressure would increase the risks of a failure to reach agreement.
    I always agree with you, DonSutherland. Really. Always.

    But not here. Example: I''m a realtor. Sometimes someone is selling their house by-owner and thus is face-to-face negotiating with the buyer, when the buyer says, "What's your bottom number for selling this house?" If that seller actually gives his bottom line, he's an idiot. Why? Because that "bottom number" becomes the new "highest price" and....well....let the games begin.

    If I have a 1% by-owner agreement (house not listed, but I'm advising my client), I'm telling my client, "Never give your bottom number. That's the new negotiating point." So he pads it, if he listens, and the deal's often done.

    Surely our president is as smart as a by-owner. Why let Obama off the hook? He wants to be unscathed in this congressional battle because he's up for election next year. Step up, President Obama. Let's hear what you have to say.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    But not here. Example: I''m a realtor. Sometimes someone is selling their house by-owner and thus is face-to-face negotiating with the buyer, when the buyer says, "What's your bottom number for selling this house?" If that seller actually gives his bottom line, he's an idiot. Why? Because that "bottom number" becomes the new "highest price" and....well....let the games begin.
    That's what I'm saying. The contingency plan would be the WH's bottom line. I'm suggesting that the WH not provide it.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That's what I'm saying. The contingency plan would be the WH's bottom line. I'm suggesting that the WH not provide it.
    Yes, I read it and understand we're saying "almost" the same thing. But I'm going on to say that the President should provide something.
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