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Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Case'

Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

Kandahar said:
To vote to spend money that we don't have, and THEN vote to not pay our debts is the height of fiscal irresponsibility.
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barack the slasher on the expensive blue carpet of upper parliament

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”
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of course gibbs, by far the most ineffective press secty i've ever seen, tho carney's giving him a run, came out and explained the senator only voted no cuz he knew the raised roof would pass, which it did, 52-48 along 100% party lines

Gibbs: Senator Obama Only Voted Against Raising Debt Ceiling in 2006 Because He Knew It Would Pass Anyway - Political Punch

You work to change the budget for the next year
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there isn't any, hasn't been now for going on three years

did you see what happened wednesday to the slasher's budget which he brazenly published in february?

President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com
 
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Objective Voice said:
why in the world would they do that when they're trying harder to get him out of the White House than they are at moving the country forward
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53 of 53 dem senators voted to kill obama's 2012 budget, the party's only blueprint on paper, published in february

all the while steering Republican governors to destroy public unions, take away public employee benefits and restructure state budgets on the backs of public servants, thereby sending more people into unemployment
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tell it to cuomo, moonbeam, quinn, the massachusetts house, bing and bobb in detroit...

that's austerity, aesop
 
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Objective Voice said:
Frankly, I don't think the Republicans are serious about raising the debt limit currently because doing so too soon would give more leverage to President Obama, and why in the world would they do that when they're trying harder to get him out of the White House than they are at moving the country forward.
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Basically, the Republicans I know are more worried about stopping the hemorrhaging of $1.5 Trillion a year that we don't have that is not helping our country in any meaningful way than they are about raising the debt ceiling. Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with paying what we owe but about our ability to borrow more. When your wallet is empty, stop spending until you have more money!


Objective Voice said:
Let's look at the facts:

Republicans complained loudly and often from 2009-2010 that the Democrats focused more on health care reform and unemployment benefits than they did on job creation.
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This is exactly what the Democrats did. And they did this using party line votes without allowing input in any meaningful way during the entire Healthcare debacle. And what did they do for Unemployment? 99 weeks wasn't it?

But what have Republicans done since they regain the majority in the House? Trying to repeal health care reform, try to stall the budget process which almost closed down the government...again, pedal Paul Ryan's Medicare reform bill and continue to delay raising the debt ceiling all the while steering Republican governors to destroy public unions, take away public employee benefits and restructure state budgets on the backs of public servants, thereby sending more people into unemployment. When you add it all up over these last five months Republican's focus has been less on jobs and more on - everything else. In short, they're doing the exact same thing they accused Democrats of doing while at the same time being as obstructionist as possible.

I don't expect them to do anything unless and until it becomes clear that their methods aren't having the desired affect(s) and it becomes clear that the People don't support their actions. That's the only way they'll stop! (Okay, not really, but we can still hope they'll start to compromise more sooner rather than later.)
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You look at some of the things listed above as negative. To me, some of them were very positive. Repealing the Healthcare Reform act would be a good thing. Seems like liberal institutions believe this also. Other wise, why are so many unions, liberal organizations and Democrat donators applying for and getting waivers keep them from having to comply with it's provisions?

Stall the budget process? Please! The Republicans submitted a budget. The President submitted a budget that not even ONE Democrat would vote for. The Democrat Congressmen have not submitted a budget and don't appear to be close to doing so. How can you blame this on the Republicans? And how can yuou even try to blame the Republicans when the Democrats CHOSE not to even take up the budget process during the entire year of 2010? Republicans didn't stop them from bringing the subject up last year. Had they done so, then there would not be this dire situation now!

And the Public unions are a good portion of why states are going broke! When more than 2/3s of the budget is for employee wages and benefits, you have to start looking at cutting either the number of employees, the benefits or both is you want to be able to stay out of bankruptcy. I understand that being fiscally responsible is a foriegn concept to most Democrats, but someone has to take responsibility and ensure that the states, counties and cities stay solvent so they can continue to perform their prime duty to the citizens.
 
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The Prof said:
virtually every republican is clear---we will NOT raise the roof UNLESS there are significant FIXES

no uncertainty, there

is that spin?

have a wonderful holiday weekend, all
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No, it isn't spin. It is exactly what the Republicans want gullible voters to believe. If you look at past performance, however, you're less likely to be fooled.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It is exactly what the Republicans want gullible voters to believe.
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americans are gullible to believe that hr1 and ryan's budget are real, hard numbers?

one would have to be out of touch with reality to perceive otherwise

meanwhile, where's the plan from the party in power, heading into year 3?

in times like these?

is the slasher still stumping on ipab and tax hikes on the rich?

gullibility, anyone?

leadership?
 
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I don't think Obama knows what plan B means and if he does, he doesn't know what to do. This man is incompetent.
 
Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

wednesday: Bill Clinton: Brief U.S. Default Might Not Be ‘Calamitous’ - Washington Wire - WSJ

according to msnbc this morning, chief of staff william big-shoulders daley and nec gene sperling then got to bubba who's taken it all back

the former president from the dlc is certainly giving the white house some trouble this week

you heard what he whispered to ryan the morning after erie:

Bill Clinton confabs with Paul Ryan, warns Dems against doing nothing

"call me"

well, half way thru year 3 it certainly appears bubba's bothers are becoming bonafide

you can this about bubba, say that, but one thing he is NOT is loyal

he's too ambitious

remember when his mrs leaked she just couldn't take it anymore, the "indecision," the "amateurs," the folks upstairs who "don't know if today is tuesday or wednesday"

Obama’s indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge

of course loyalty isn't one of the slasher's strong suits either

ask rev wright

ask aipac

republicans will NOT allow this roof to be raised---especially NOT high enough to accomodate november, 2012, the slasher's raison d'etre---WITHOUT major short and longterm cuts as well as REAL structural reform

medicare, medicaid and social security MUST BE SAVED

hurry up, harry
 
Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

The Prof said:
americans are gullible to believe that hr1 and ryan's budget are real, hard numbers?

one would have to be out of touch with reality to perceive otherwise

meanwhile, where's the plan from the party in power, heading into year 3?

in times like these?

is the slasher still stumping on ipab and tax hikes on the rich?

gullibility, anyone?

leadership?
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They are gullible if they believe:

virtually every republican is clear---we will NOT raise the roof UNLESS there are significant FIXES
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Ain't happenin', no way. Anyone taking bets?
 
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Objective Voice said:
(Okay, not really, but we can still hope they'll start to compromise more sooner rather than later.)
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When you put out a budget that only cuts 60 billion when you want to cut trillions, that is a compromise. When you don't eliminate Medicare from existence when that is in fact what you want to do, that is a compromise. The very fact that they started those debates in compromised positions says they compromise. Just think I haven't even went into the process itself yet and they already gave up everything.
 
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dnc debbie wasserman schultz on face the nation 5 minutes ago:

"all sides agree there must be 4 trillion dollars in deficit reduction"

well, that's new

just 3 months ago the slasher sent forth his budget which actually INCREASED borrowing an obscene TWENTY PERCENT

which is why it went down in the senate thursday, NINETY SEVEN to ZERO

dws this morning insists taxes on the rich be on the table

but 4T worth?

stay tuned

but you're gonna have to be real patient

it's hurryup harry who's holding obama's bucket
 
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The Prof said:
this week we'll see, by the way, exactly how many dem votes "aint happenin, no way" gets

Republicans plan symbolic vote on debt ceiling - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

vermont's peter welch says he has an entire 114

we'll see, stay tuned
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Pure political posturing, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. The Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than the Democrats are.

As you say, stay tuned. We'll see the debt ceiling raised, with only symbolic cuts. Just wait and see.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than the Democrats are.
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GOP budget plan to cut more than $4 trillion - USATODAY.com

House passes GOP budget plan for 2012 - The Washington Post

Dems won't pass budget in 2010

President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com

We'll see the debt ceiling raised, with only symbolic cuts.
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the dnc this morning on mtp:

"both parties have agreed we need about four trillion dollars in deficit reduction"

"both parties, under president obama's leadership and under the republicans, have said, y'know, about four trillion dollars in deficit reduction is the right number"

DNC on MTP - CBS News Video
 
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Why is everyone talking about $4 trillion in cuts over a decade? So that no one can be held accountable for not following through with it? Why don't we talk about how much we plan to spend over a decade as well? Or in even longer terms?

"Well MY plan is to cut 50 quadrillion dollars over the next five centuries..."
 
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yup, it's all turning into a RACE TO CUT

who can out-slash cuomo, for example?

or rahm the ram or the massachusetts house?

the white house, as always, is last on the uptake

but even the obtuse are beginning to observe the obvious

if nothing is done to fundamentally restructure medicare---now---for starters, the precious program will plainly expire

the slasher's concerns, it's true, are restricted to his campaign

but what's he gonna say?

stay tuned
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Why is everyone talking about $4 trillion in cuts over a decade? So that no one can be held accountable for not following through with it?
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Why, yes, as a matter of fact, that's exactly why.

$4 trillion sounds like a lot, but it averages out to $400 billion a year, or less than a third of the current deficit. Such a plan would add trillions of dollars to the debt, even if it were to be enacted, and if the $400B were to be spread out evenly over the decade.

It is political posturing.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
$4 trillion sounds like a lot
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it is a completely unprecedented american politics

It is political posturing
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what isn't?

except ryan, he's way too hard

ie, empirical

the party in power in the us senate has moved from ADDING two hundred billion per year of debt in february to CUTTING four hundred b's per, as of this morning

stay tuned
 
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The Prof said:
it is a completely unprecedented american politics



what isn't?

except ryan, he's way too hard

ie, empirical

the party in power in the us senate has moved from ADDING two hundred billion per year of debt in february to CUTTING four hundred b's per, as of this morning

stay tuned
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No, do the math.

Cutting out $4T over a decade is cutting $400 B per year on average (with most of it postponed to the end of the decade, no doubt, by anyway...) The current deficit is about a trillion and a half, which still adds over a trillion to the debt in the coming year.

At least.

We seriously need to lay everything on the table, both guns and butter, and taxes. That won't happen, of course, as both parties would rather simply keep postponing any real cuts and tax increases, while ranting and hooting about the other party.

What will happen is the government will increase the debt ceiling, eventually the value of the dollar will come down to the point that the debt will be more manageable.

but the real debt will never be addressed. The voters wouldn't stand for it.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
The voters wouldn't stand for it.
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with all due respect, tell it to cuomo, brown, emanuel, quinn, the massachusetts house, trenton, bing and bobb in detroit...
 
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The Prof said:
with all due respect, tell it to cuomo, brown, emanuel, quinn, the massachusetts house, trenton, bing and bobb in detroit...
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So, you really think the people you named will be able to change politics in Washington?

If so, you're a lot more optimistic than I am.

But, my innate cynicism is wrong as much as 5% of the time, so perhaps you will turn out to be right.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
So, you really think the people you named will be able to change politics in Washington?
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no, they indicate the overwhelming direction of the wind

and of gravity
 
Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

Raise taxes to Clinton rates across the board eventually, cut the defense budget to 10% of the budget, merge a few government agencies into each other, use Obama's plan on medicare, if not raise the corporate tax, lower the corporate tax by 5% but close all loopholes and such, and tell China to go **** itself. I win the Nobel prize.
 
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Obama plan on debt ceiling is clear: Ignore the debt, raise taxes and increase spending.

Other than increasing the debt, raising taxes and increasing spending, there is no plan from the democrats.
 
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GPS_Flex said:
Obama plan on debt ceiling is clear: Ignore the debt, raise taxes and increase spending.

Other than increasing the debt, raising taxes and increasing spending, there is no plan from the democrats.
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Other than cutting taxes, attacking Medicare, and political posturing, there is no plan from the Republicans, either. Where does that leave Washington? Planless, of course.
 
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