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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is bull****. I truly can't believe the Republicans are even THINKING about not raising the debt ceiling.
    everyone agrees the debt ceiling will be raised - the question becomes when it get's raised and what pain we go through until it does (if it comes to that).

    that's what this is a question of - timing.

    Even if they reach a deal, it creates more uncertainty for the NEXT time the debt ceiling needs to be raised.
    good. you don't help an alcoholic by making it easy to get booze.

    It makes a default on our sovereign debt, which Ronald Reagan described as unthinkable, thinkable. We should get rid of the debt ceiling altogether. It is among the stupidest constructs of our legislature to date, and that's really saying a lot. No other country (that I'm aware of) takes on debt, and then calls a vote every year or so to decide whether or not to pay its debt.
    normally I would agree - but here it seems to be serving as a most interesting break on the very same bad behavior that it describes.



    not raising the debt ceiling only means a de facto instant balanced budget amendment. get ready to cut off great massive hunks of the federal government, boys

    personally I'm hoping they start with defunding agricultural subsidies that drive up the price of food.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    ryan IS a plan

    cutting taxes and attacking medicare, in radically untried and unprecedented ways---why, politically speaking, that's revolutionary!

    ryan was written up, moved thru committee, passed on the floor

    hr1 was passed on boehner's first day

    the united states house has fulfilled every budgetary responsibility, on schedule, with a hard bottom line

    and it has worked each legislation to significantly cut and restructure govt

    the senate, meanwhile, SQUATS

    no budget in 2 years, finance chair baucus divulging that kent conrad is "unlikely" to produce one this year

    reid openly adopting a "minimalist agenda"

    in times like these

    there's a reason, y'know, and it's not just campaigning

    it's why the slasher's 2012 itinerary, published in february, the progressive's plum plan, went down 97 to 0

    they can't write THAT STUFF up, they can't ENDORSE that amok keynesianism

    not today

    but it IS still, after all, their soul

    ie, base

    and yet claire mccaskill and ben nelson and joe manchin and bill nelson and about ten others upstairs CANNOT go home saying---we increased the debt ceiling carte blanche, no constraints

    you're gonna see missouri's miserable ms mccaskill LOUDLY INSIST that the roof be raised ONLY on condition that the extension of MORE credit is accompanied by significant cuts, controls, caps and protections

    watch how many HOUSE dems go this direction when boehner puts up his clean extension this week

    the entire world is advancing ominously towards austerity

    and republicans are leading the way

    i'm surprised anyone could fail to note

    either way, have a wonderful memorial day

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    as predicted:

    Hoyer: Vote 'against' debt bill - Jake Sherman - POLITICO.com

    just who, outside the white house, DOES want the roof raised without protection?

    seeya in missouri, ms mccaskill

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    april 11: Harry Reid calls for clean debt ceiling vote - Meredith Shiner - POLITICO.com

    about an hour ago on cspan the vote on the clean raising of the roof by 2.4T, enough presumably to get us thru the next presidential, went down

    forty four percent (97 to 82) of nancy's and steny's caucus voted with the united republican party against the progressives' plan

    we've come a long way, baby, in seven worrisome weeks

    what's miserable ms mccaskill gonna say?

    joe manchin, ben nelson, bill nelson, kent conrad, combat boots webb, jon tester, bob casey, debbie stabenow, herb kohl, amy klobuchar, mark pryor, jeff bingaman, jiltin joe lieberman?

    michael bennet, mark begich, difi, jeanne shaheen, kay hagan, mary landrieu, tim johnson, mark warner, patty murray and maria cantwell?

    in august?

    it's gonna be a long summer, senators---america's watching

    you better hope for a lot better economic news than we got today---consumer confidence at a 6 month low, housing's double dip dropping more drastically, 14% of america on food stamps, up 11% this year

    gas and food rising frighteningly

    q1's gdp 1.8%, unemployment at 9.0...

    two weeks ago medicare's trustees reported the program would "run out of money" 13 years from now

    Medicare to run out of money five years sooner, trustees say - David Nather - POLITICO.com

    whatcha gonna do about it, harry?

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    wow, you sure don't have to moisten your finger to feel that wind

    AARP, the powerful lobbying group for older Americans, is dropping its longstanding opposition to cutting Social Security benefits, a move that could rock Washington's debate over how to revamp the nation's entitlement programs.

    The decision, which AARP hasn't discussed publicly, came after a wrenching debate inside the organization. In 2005, the last time Social Security was debated, AARP led the effort to kill President George W. Bush's plan for partial privatization. AARP now has concluded that change is inevitable, and it wants to be at the table to try to minimize the pain.
    AARP Pivots on Social Security Benefit Cut - WSJ.com

    seeya in committee, chums

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    AARP's decision, if the story is accurate and if AARP does not reverse itself (a risk given the divisions within the organization and possible backlash from its membership), would be a welcome development. If the organization takes a public stance on the position the article describes, that shift would reflect that the organization has come to understand that the financial challenges facing the nation's Social Security program make reform a necessity.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    good point

    aarp's not really noted for being overly attentive to its membership

    the organization is simply bowing to the inevitable---mathematics dictates fundamental reform

    else social security, like medicare and medicaid (as well as state pensions) will simply disappear, at least in the forms americans have come to expect based on generations of promises made to them

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    They are gullible if they believe:



    Ain't happenin', no way. Anyone taking bets?
    Whether or not it actually happens is irrelevant in the negotiations. Democrats have to believe it WILL happen, or at least that there's a chance it could happen for Republicans to succeed in the negotiation. If there is no belief whatsoever or at the best, a minimal belief that the votes are there to vote down the debt ceiling increase, the Republicans have/will fail. Therefore the "Plan B" request is just that - centrist play at casting reasonable doubt the increase is not a good idea. I will go so far as to say, the Republicans MUST play up the down vote of the debt ceiling and prominent Republicans (not just Tea Party freshman) must back that view to the hilt, or the GOP will certainly fail in any political negotiation.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Whether or not it actually happens is irrelevant in the negotiations. Democrats have to believe it WILL happen, or at least that there's a chance it could happen for Republicans to succeed in the negotiation. If there is no belief whatsoever or at the best, a minimal belief that the votes are there to vote down the debt ceiling increase, the Republicans have/will fail. Therefore the "Plan B" request is just that - centrist play at casting reasonable doubt the increase is not a good idea. I will go so far as to say, the Republicans MUST play up the down vote of the debt ceiling and prominent Republicans (not just Tea Party freshman) must back that view to the hilt, or the GOP will certainly fail in any political negotiation.
    I don't think the Democrats are that gullible. The "you must make significant cuts, or we won't vote to raise the debt" is just political posturing, an attempt to make the voters believe that the Republicans are more fiscally responsible than the Democrats are. It could work, you understand, but it is a hoax nevertheless. The Republicans are no more fiscally "conservative" than the Democrats. The so called 'negotiations" are a public show, nothing more.

    Meanwhile, we really do need someone who will step up to the plate and say, "Enough! We have to make some real cuts!"

    But, my innate cynicism says that won't happen.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    a senator like claire mccaskill NEEDS substantial cuts

    or SHE can't go home

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