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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    vote democrat---don't create more uncertainty for the next raising of the ceiling?

    that's the problem

    exactly what is the dem's position on the budget, the administration's, senator reid's?
    The problem is that this is NOT a vote on the budget. We already had that, and Congress agreed to a certain level of taxes and a certain level of expenditures. Congress signed it into law, knowingly that we would acquire some debt as a result. You can like it or dislike it, but Congress already approved it. To vote to spend money that we don't have, and THEN vote to not pay our debts is the height of fiscal irresponsibility.

    I understand the desire to get our debt under control, but the debt ceiling is not the place to have that debate. You don't vote to stop paying our debts just because you don't like the budget. You work to change the budget for the next year, and/or revise our entitlement programs, and/or revise our tax code.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The problem is that this is NOT a vote on the budget. We already had that, and Congress agreed to a certain level of taxes and a certain level of expenditures. Congress signed it into law, knowingly that we would acquire some debt as a result.
    Actually, they didn't. Rather than voting on a budget for 2011, they sidestepped the issue by "deeming it passed". No bill was voted on, no reconciliation with the House Budget, no signature from the President. You see, none of the Democrats wanted to have to go into the Sept. 2010 election with a huge budget deficit for the Republicans to tie around their necks. So they took a page from Obama's play book and voted "Present", then skipped the whole bloody mess.

    Also, just a little remedial civics lesson, Congress does not sign anything into law. They vote on legislation which then gets passed to the President to sign into law.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target View Post
    Actually, they didn't. Rather than voting on a budget for 2011, they sidestepped the issue by "deeming it passed". No bill was voted on, no reconciliation with the House Budget, no signature from the President.
    The point is that a budget already passed, according to the rules and procedures of our Congress. For them to now declare that they aren't going to pay back the money that they've already agreed to borrow is the height of hypocrisy and irresponsibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target
    Also, just a little remedial civics lesson, Congress does not sign anything into law. They vote on legislation which then gets passed to the President to sign into law.
    Instead of nitpicking my words, perhaps you'd care to actually discuss the debt ceiling. You know, the subject of this thread.
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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Finally, I do believe the Republican request provides some possible insight into the Republican position. It could reflect the possibility that the Republican Leadership is concerned that a significant base of Republicans may not accept the likely parameters of a deal, hence they want to become better informed as to alternatives. It could also be a ploy to maximize leverage by making it appear that the Republicans are serious that they won't accept a deal they don't believe is adequate. Indeed, one should not be too surprised if some prominent Republicans announce that they are leaning against approving a debt ceiling increase in the weeks ahead to step up the pressure on the White House. My guess is that there is a combination of both factors at play. Of course, serious risks are involved. If the financial markets begin to expect a realistic risk of an impasse, things could begin to get out of hand.
    Frankly, I don't think the Republicans are serious about raising the debt limit currently because doing so too soon would give more leverage to President Obama, and why in the world would they do that when they're trying harder to get him out of the White House than they are at moving the country forward. Let's look at the facts:

    Republicans complained loudly and often from 2009-2010 that the Democrats focused more on health care reform and unemployment benefits than they did on job creation. But what have Republicans done since they regain the majority in the House? Trying to repeal health care reform, try to stall the budget process which almost closed down the government...again, pedal Paul Ryan's Medicare reform bill and continue to delay raising the debt ceiling all the while steering Republican governors to destroy public unions, take away public employee benefits and restructure state budgets on the backs of public servants, thereby sending more people into unemployment. When you add it all up over these last five months Republican's focus has been less on jobs and more on - everything else. In short, they're doing the exact same thing they accused Democrats of doing while at the same time being as obstructionist as possible.

    I don't expect them to do anything unless and until it becomes clear that their methods aren't having the desired affect(s) and it becomes clear that the People don't support their actions. That's the only way they'll stop! (Okay, not really, but we can still hope they'll start to compromise more sooner rather than later.)

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    To vote to spend money that we don't have, and THEN vote to not pay our debts is the height of fiscal irresponsibility.
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    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure,” he said on March 16, 2006. “Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership . Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”
    of course gibbs, by far the most ineffective press secty i've ever seen, tho carney's giving him a run, came out and explained the senator only voted no cuz he knew the raised roof would pass, which it did, 52-48 along 100% party lines

    Gibbs: Senator Obama Only Voted Against Raising Debt Ceiling in 2006 Because He Knew It Would Pass Anyway - Political Punch

    You work to change the budget for the next year
    there isn't any, hasn't been now for going on three years

    did you see what happened wednesday to the slasher's budget which he brazenly published in february?

    President's budget sinks, 97-0 - TheHill.com

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    why in the world would they do that when they're trying harder to get him out of the White House than they are at moving the country forward
    53 of 53 dem senators voted to kill obama's 2012 budget, the party's only blueprint on paper, published in february

    all the while steering Republican governors to destroy public unions, take away public employee benefits and restructure state budgets on the backs of public servants, thereby sending more people into unemployment
    tell it to cuomo, moonbeam, quinn, the massachusetts house, bing and bobb in detroit...

    that's austerity, aesop

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Frankly, I don't think the Republicans are serious about raising the debt limit currently because doing so too soon would give more leverage to President Obama, and why in the world would they do that when they're trying harder to get him out of the White House than they are at moving the country forward.
    Basically, the Republicans I know are more worried about stopping the hemorrhaging of $1.5 Trillion a year that we don't have that is not helping our country in any meaningful way than they are about raising the debt ceiling. Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with paying what we owe but about our ability to borrow more. When your wallet is empty, stop spending until you have more money!


    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Let's look at the facts:

    Republicans complained loudly and often from 2009-2010 that the Democrats focused more on health care reform and unemployment benefits than they did on job creation.
    This is exactly what the Democrats did. And they did this using party line votes without allowing input in any meaningful way during the entire Healthcare debacle. And what did they do for Unemployment? 99 weeks wasn't it?

    But what have Republicans done since they regain the majority in the House? Trying to repeal health care reform, try to stall the budget process which almost closed down the government...again, pedal Paul Ryan's Medicare reform bill and continue to delay raising the debt ceiling all the while steering Republican governors to destroy public unions, take away public employee benefits and restructure state budgets on the backs of public servants, thereby sending more people into unemployment. When you add it all up over these last five months Republican's focus has been less on jobs and more on - everything else. In short, they're doing the exact same thing they accused Democrats of doing while at the same time being as obstructionist as possible.

    I don't expect them to do anything unless and until it becomes clear that their methods aren't having the desired affect(s) and it becomes clear that the People don't support their actions. That's the only way they'll stop! (Okay, not really, but we can still hope they'll start to compromise more sooner rather than later.)
    You look at some of the things listed above as negative. To me, some of them were very positive. Repealing the Healthcare Reform act would be a good thing. Seems like liberal institutions believe this also. Other wise, why are so many unions, liberal organizations and Democrat donators applying for and getting waivers keep them from having to comply with it's provisions?

    Stall the budget process? Please! The Republicans submitted a budget. The President submitted a budget that not even ONE Democrat would vote for. The Democrat Congressmen have not submitted a budget and don't appear to be close to doing so. How can you blame this on the Republicans? And how can yuou even try to blame the Republicans when the Democrats CHOSE not to even take up the budget process during the entire year of 2010? Republicans didn't stop them from bringing the subject up last year. Had they done so, then there would not be this dire situation now!

    And the Public unions are a good portion of why states are going broke! When more than 2/3s of the budget is for employee wages and benefits, you have to start looking at cutting either the number of employees, the benefits or both is you want to be able to stay out of bankruptcy. I understand that being fiscally responsible is a foriegn concept to most Democrats, but someone has to take responsibility and ensure that the states, counties and cities stay solvent so they can continue to perform their prime duty to the citizens.

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    Re: Republicans Urge Obama Administration to Draft Plan B on Debt Ceiling 'Just in Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    virtually every republican is clear---we will NOT raise the roof UNLESS there are significant FIXES

    no uncertainty, there

    is that spin?

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    No, it isn't spin. It is exactly what the Republicans want gullible voters to believe. If you look at past performance, however, you're less likely to be fooled.
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