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Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

The only reason you want her to win the nomination is because it would guarantee Obama his second term.

He knows it will have to be a very weak candidate to lose to Obama. That's how bad he is.
I think Palin would be a good president, but I think others could more easily beat him.
 
That would be a retarded bet.



Hearing voices is often a sign of a serious mental disorder.





And you have the gall to claim you are able to view things rationally.

You entire evaluation of what I am saying is merely because for you "rational" means "establishment shill" and being anything else makes you crazy or stupid. Do you even acknowledge that the establishment media has a concerted agenda against Ron Paul?
 
Sarah Palin = Kathrine Harris. The GOP will never nominate Palin for president. Don't even think about it. She isn't presidential material. She has next to no experience and even less intelligence. Her major attraction is her message to the masses "I'm as stupid as you are and I can be president." Does that message resonate with a lot of people? Sure, but the people on the upper side of the IQ mean aren't going to vote for her.

The GOP cannot win a presidential election without support of the mainstream GOP (not Palainistas), without a significant number of crossover voters, Independent voters, on issue voters. Palin doesn't appeal to MOST voters and the GOP is well aware of it. At this point in time there the GOP is having a difficult time finding anyone dynamic and worthy.

Obama is horrible and as much as I'd like for him to be primaried he won't be. Do you know why? Because the Democrats see a GOP so hosed up it can't find a candidate that won't step on his own johnson coming out of the gate. Think about that - As bad is Obama is, and he's bad, the GOP still can't find anyone who galvanizes most Americans.

And they said the same thing about Ronald Reagan....

What i highlighted is a prime example of someone, excuse me for my directness, stupidity. You are just repeating the same talking points that most liberals spew when they really don't know a thing about the woman. Stupid? She is hardly stupid but very intelligent. Her energy experience isn't matched by anyone as of right now, she had a very successful governorship (yes she quit, and guess what, she did more positive in that short time than obama has done his whole political career) and sorry to burst your bubble, majority of Americans actually do share her political beliefs.
 
And they said the same thing about Ronald Reagan....

What i highlighted is a prime example of someone, excuse me for my directness, stupidity. You are just repeating the same talking points that most liberals spew when they really don't know a thing about the woman. Stupid? She is hardly stupid but very intelligent. Her energy experience isn't matched by anyone as of right now, she had a very successful governorship (yes she quit, and guess what, she did more positive in that short time than obama has done his whole political career) and sorry to burst your bubble, majority of Americans actually do share her political beliefs.

Something like 60% of Americans have told pollsters that they'll never vote for her. That's a pretty big hurdle to overcome.
 
I read somewhere that Palin is coming out with a documentary about herself titled "The Undefeated." Which I find a bit funny since she did LOSE the 2008 election.
 
You entire evaluation of what I am saying is merely because for you "rational" means "establishment shill" and being anything else makes you crazy or stupid.

Actually, my entire evaluation of what you are saying is because your assesment is not supported by reason or understanding.

The bet in question is one where, if someone had a lot of confidence in Ron Paul's chances to win but was worried about the chance of losing in the scenario you describe, they could easily hedge the bet by trading off a certain amount of their contracts for a profit when the price increases.

For example, Ron Paul is trading at about 2.2 (which translates to 22 cents) right now. If he wins the election, it will be worth 100 (which is $10) per "share". Let's say one bets $11 on Ron Paul at 2.2 a share. Then they have 50 shares. If they held each one until Ron Paul wins the election, this would be worth $500. $489 profit on an investment of $11, which ain't too shabby.

But since you are worried about the unlikely scenario you describe occuring, let's say that you are smart about it and decide to trade off a portion of your shares in order to hedge your bet. Since the current rate is 2.2, a smart time to sell would be when you can sell for 11, or $1.10 per share. Then you can sell off 10 shares of that initial 50 in oredr to recoup your initial investment price of $11 while still holding onto 40 shares which would be worth $400 if Ron Paul won the election.

Since the unlikely scenario of assasination before he could have his chance at winning the election would only occur if there was a legitimate chance of him winning, the price would certainly exceed 11.0 (or $1.10) well before the theoretical assasination would happen.

Ergo, your position on this bet is an irrational one. It definitely does not take reason and understanding into account.

So, like I said, if you were a betting man, you would not be worried about the statistically unlikley event of an assasination.

However, you would have to consider the statistically greater likelihood of death by natural causes at his age, since that is the only thing that would actually prevent the bet from reaching the point of recapturing the initial investment if he really does have a legitimate shot at winning the election.

Now, the post that triggered this particular exchange is one that implies that you are not a betting man since you said if you were a betting man. Your reasoning for avoiding the bet actually proves that you aren't a betting man.

The problem with that statement was that if you were a betting man, you wouldn't be thinking about the bet like you have. You would be thinking about it like I have described above. And you'd be making a profit if your theories are actually correct, even the one about assasination because then you'd sell off all of the shares early in order to get out before the assasination occured.

See, you were so interested in pretending that I'm arguing from the position of an "establishment shill", you completely missed the fact that I am a betting man and I was actually arguing from the position of a person who is a betting man. If I believed everything that you claim to believe, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. It would be a smart bet if your beliefs are actually true..





Do you even acknowledge that the establishment media has a concerted agenda against Ron Paul?

Concerted? Not really. I think they are biased towards the partisan dichotmy in this country though, which doesn't bode well for people like Ron Paul.
 
Actually, my entire evaluation of what you are saying is because your assesment is not supported by reason or understanding.

The bet in question is one where, if someone had a lot of confidence in Ron Paul's chances to win but was worried about the chance of losing in the scenario you describe, they could easily hedge the bet by trading off a certain amount of their contracts for a profit when the price increases.

For example, Ron Paul is trading at about 2.2 (which translates to 22 cents) right now. If he wins the election, it will be worth 100 (which is $10) per "share". Let's say one bets $11 on Ron Paul at 2.2 a share. Then they have 50 shares. If they held each one until Ron Paul wins the election, this would be worth $500. $489 profit on an investment of $11, which ain't too shabby.

But since you are worried about the unlikely scenario you describe occuring, let's say that you are smart about it and decide to trade off a portion of your shares in order to hedge your bet. Since the current rate is 2.2, a smart time to sell would be when you can sell for 11, or $1.10 per share. Then you can sell off 10 shares of that initial 50 in oredr to recoup your initial investment price of $11 while still holding onto 40 shares which would be worth $400 if Ron Paul won the election.

Since the unlikely scenario of assasination before he could have his chance at winning the election would only occur if there was a legitimate chance of him winning, the price would certainly exceed 11.0 (or $1.10) well before the theoretical assasination would happen.

Ergo, your position on this bet is an irrational one. It definitely does not take reason and understanding into account.

So, like I said, if you were a betting man, you would not be worried about the statistically unlikley event of an assasination.

However, you would have to consider the statistically greater likelihood of death by natural causes at his age, since that is the only thing that would actually prevent the bet from reaching the point of recapturing the initial investment if he really does have a legitimate shot at winning the election.

Now, the post that triggered this particular exchange is one that implies that you are not a betting man since you said if you were a betting man. Your reasoning for avoiding the bet actually proves that you aren't a betting man.

The problem with that statement was that if you were a betting man, you wouldn't be thinking about the bet like you have. You would be thinking about it like I have described above. And you'd be making a profit if your theories are actually correct, even the one about assasination because then you'd sell off all of the shares early in order to get out before the assasination occured.

See, you were so interested in pretending that I'm arguing from the position of an "establishment shill", you completely missed the fact that I am a betting man and I was actually arguing from the position of a person who is a betting man. If I believed everything that you claim to believe, I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. It would be a smart bet if your beliefs are actually true..

Hey, whatever it takes to convince yourself that you truly are a free-thinking individual.
 
I think Jeb could come in at number one or two easily. Deep down inside, people cherish the idea of poking at Bush-haters.

Just the possibility that there could actually be another President Bush is enough to make some extremists lose grip on reality.

Thinking America would elect another Bush shows that many have already lost their grip on reality... but, hey, they are Republicans, so that goes without saying.
 
I think Jeb could come in at number one or two easily. Deep down inside, people cherish the idea of poking at Bush-haters.

Just the possibility that there could actually be another President Bush is enough to make some extremists lose grip on reality.

If we had elected Jeb instead of George Jr. back then, we might have a better opinion of the Bush clan today....
 
I read somewhere that Palin is coming out with a documentary about herself titled "The Undefeated." Which I find a bit funny since she did LOSE the 2008 election.

Wasn't it John McCain who lost?

Or do the American people vote for the vice-President?
 
Wasn't it John McCain who lost?

Or do the American people vote for the vice-President?

I think its a package deal. You don't vote for a president and then have him turn around and appoint a VP.

That is why many were worried voting for someone as McCain as such an advanced age and then having Palin next in line.
 
Something like 60% of Americans have told pollsters that they'll never vote for her. That's a pretty big hurdle to overcome.

This is way too earlier in the election process, polls mean nothing. The same thing can be said about Obama's polling numbers. And you are right, she does have a lot of work to do, if she decides to run.
 
This is way too earlier in the election process, polls mean nothing.

They don't mean anything in the sense that you can't base who the most likely nominee is...but if 60% of people say that they'll NEVER vote for a candidate, that means quite a bit. Granted, people's minds can be changed...but that's an uphill battle, at the very least.

fbi10 said:
The same thing can be said about Obama's polling numbers.

Obama's negatives are nowhere near as high as Palin's. According to RCP, his average disapproval rating is 43.1%. That's not a bad place for a candidate to be in.
 
I think its a package deal. You don't vote for a president and then have him turn around and appoint a VP.

That is why many were worried voting for someone as McCain as such an advanced age and then having Palin next in line.

So Joe Biden won the election?

Do you have any evidence that John McCain lost the election because of Sarah Palin?
 
So Joe Biden won the election?

Do you have any evidence that John McCain lost the election because of Sarah Palin?

Was Biden elected Vice President? I think you have your answer.

As for evidence that Palin cost McCain the election, really no need to. The proof is in the pudding. Do you have any evidence that she didn't cost him the election.
 
Run Sarah Run......I've been saying for months that Palin is the only shot that the GOP has. The GOP would be foolish NOT to convince Palin to run and then to nominate her.

Sarah Palin has 100% zero chance of winning a presidential election. The democratic party is praying she will get the nomination so they can have a field day once again on the republican party. I dont think I have ever heard one intelligent idea come out of sarah palins mouth. Its always a populist remark, or pointing out a problem. The difference between a good candidate, and a bad one, is one will point out problems, the other will point out solutions. If the republican party has any brains left, which has proven to be very unlikely, there is no way they will rally the troops to support a palin presidential run. Go with who can win, like Romney or Paul. Palin will push away alot of lifetime republican voters. Die hard Palin supporters refuse to realize that yes, she does have support, but its a very small group of die-hard supporters. There is no chance in hell for this lady to win, and if she runs, she is assisting Obamas campaign.

Also, the last sad fact is that she is a woman. I have NO problem with a woman running for president, but sadly many Americans do. There is a reason a woman has never been elected president, and a lady like Palin adds a much higher chance of failure on that already sad satistic. I would vote for a woman if I thought she was a good option for president, but Palin haunts my dreams with fears of this lady actually calling the shots in major global events.

I am still waiting for Palin to declare some actual IDEAS and SOLUTIONS. So far all I have ever heard is Obama is doing this wrong, Obama is doing that wrong, America is in the ****ter, etc, etc, etc.... I need logical solutions. Palin has no credentials to run this country. If this lady actually gets the GOP nomination, this country really is becoming a nation of morons, and we are doomed.
 
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So Joe Biden won the election?

Do you have any evidence that John McCain lost the election because of Sarah Palin?

Your comment suggests that a VP candidate has no impact at all on who votes for a ticket? Is that what you believe?
 
So that is evidence that she did??? You want me to prove a negative?

Biden was selected as a running mate.

Did he win the election?

69% of GOP Voters Say Palin Helped McCain - Rasmussen Reports™

Your poll suggest a very astonishing approval of Palin by GOP voters and perhaps that reveals why they are trout like. The recent excitement over Trump shows again they will strike at any fishing lure that sparkles.

As for the Vice President debate here, the VP is selected by the presidental candidate but then they both must be elected.

The lost of the election by McCain in all fairness was probably caused by Bush more than anything. The 2008 election was for the Democrats to lose as it was a walk in after the last disaster.
 
Your poll suggest a very astonishing approval of Palin by GOP voters and perhaps that reveals why they are trout like. The recent excitement over Trump shows again they will strike at any fishing lure that sparkles.

As for the Vice President debate here, the VP is selected by the presidental candidate but then they both must be elected.

The lost of the election by McCain in all fairness was probably caused by Bush more than anything. The 2008 election was for the Democrats to lose as it was a walk in after the last disaster.

Desperation.....it is the smell of desperation...
Romney is smart, very smart, but not electable.
Palin is pretty, but not smart, and a quitter.
None of the GOP wannabes from last election will lead any ticket...IMO.
 
fbi10 said:
You say Palin isn't stupid - even intelligent.

There are a lot of intelligent folks - but just not intelligent to be president. Therein lies Palin's problem.
 
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Desperation.....it is the smell of desperation...
Romney is smart, very smart, but not electable.
Palin is pretty, but not smart, and a quitter.
None of the GOP wannabes from last election will lead any ticket...IMO.


Puhleeze! Romney has learned alot from the first attempt in 08, and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss his business acuity or his ability to use that knowledge in a debate against the empty suit n chief. Palin, is very smart and liberals, even ones like you that like to hide the fact that they are at heart fainting Obama sycophants are scared to death of her. She is as adept, if not more so at filling a stadium than Obama is, and she also has learned from the last go around. And that scares you to death. I think it's great.

Removable Mind said:
There are a lot of intelligent folks - but just not intelligent to be president. Therein lies Palin's problem.


:doh OMFG! You have got to be kidding here. What in the world makes you think that Obama has this supposed intelligence quotient?

So far in Foreign Policy he is a loser
Economics - Loser
Jobs - Loser
Debt/Deficit - Intentional Loser

Everything this President touches turns to ****! Maybe you like that?


j-mac
 
Palin, is very smart and liberals, even ones like you that like to hide the fact that they are at heart fainting Obama sycophants are scared to death of her. She is as adept, if not more so at filling a stadium than Obama is, and she also has learned from the last go around. And that scares you to death. I think it's great.


j-mac

A vote for a Palin ticket would be a vote for her Vice President candidate because she has never followed through with anything in her whole life. She would quit by the first year.

Sorry she doesn't have the fortitude when the tough gets going.
 
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