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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because even though there are plenty of undecideds who might break for Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty or Jon Huntsman or (if she runs) Sarah Palin, they sure as hell aren't going to break for Ron Paul. That 10% support for Ron Paul is pretty close to his ceiling. Most Republican primary voters just flat-out disagree with him on the issues.
    That is bull****. His approval rating is consistently much higher than his current poll numbers. In other words, a lot of people are willing to back him. Rand Paul won a Senate seat after winning the Republican nomination despite sharing basically the exact same views so obviously his views are not an impediment. Ron Paul is more than capable of winning the nomination and the Presidency. However, he has to overcome the fact that all the organs of the American establishment in defiance of the mythical left-right paradigm are arrayed against him. That all major media, irrespective of their leanings, universally treat him as a non-starter (planting the seed that somehow no one should vote for him because it would be a waste) despite him doing well in the poll numbers is evidence enough of that.
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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    way too early to speculate anything at this point....


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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    That is bull****. His approval rating is consistently much higher than his current poll numbers. In other words, a lot of people are willing to back him.
    Not nearly enough. And it's not like this is an untested assumption, as he just ran for president in 2008. He generated a lot of excitement on the internet, had some extremely dedicated supporters...and fell flat on his face at the ballot box.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light
    Rand Paul won a Senate seat after winning the Republican nomination despite sharing basically the exact same views so obviously his views are not an impediment. Ron Paul is more than capable of winning the nomination and the Presidency.
    Rand Paul won an election in an extremely Republican year, in an extremely Republican state, against an extremely slimy Democrat, was running for Senate rather than President, hedged on some of his libertarian views more than Ron Paul does, and had a bit more charisma than Ron Paul...and even then he only got 55% of the vote. Ron Paul will need to win many states and will probably not be as lucky as his son was in terms of the political environment.

    Anyway, we've heard this argument all before. In 2007, Ron Paul's diehard supporters on this board were absolutely convinced he was going to be the Republican nominee and the next president. How did that work out?

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    However, he has to overcome the fact that all the organs of the American establishment in defiance of the mythical left-right paradigm are arrayed against him. That all major media, irrespective of their leanings, universally treat him as a non-starter (planting the seed that somehow no one should vote for him because it would be a waste) despite him doing well in the poll numbers is evidence enough of that.
    Regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, he DOES have to overcome the fact that the establishment doesn't like him. And whining about it doesn't change the reality that it is a major problem for him.
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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not nearly enough. And it's not like this is an untested assumption, as he just ran for president in 2008. He generated a lot of excitement on the internet, had some extremely dedicated supporters...and fell flat on his face at the ballot box.



    Rand Paul won an election in an extremely Republican year, in an extremely Republican state, against an extremely slimy Democrat, was running for Senate rather than President, hedged on some of his libertarian views more than Ron Paul does, and had a bit more charisma than Ron Paul...and even then he only got 55% of the vote. Ron Paul will need to win many states and will probably not be as lucky as his son was in terms of the political environment.

    Anyway, we've heard this argument all before. In 2007, Ron Paul's diehard supporters on this board were absolutely convinced he was going to be the Republican nominee and the next president. How did that work out?



    Regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, he DOES have to overcome the fact that the establishment doesn't like him. And whining about it doesn't change the reality that it is a major problem for him.

    The so called "establishment" who ever they are, might not dislike him for President if he didn't have such a penchant for kookdom. Keep in mind that Dr. Paul has given the most interviews to people like Alex Jones....Alex Jones for God's sake.





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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The GOP field is fragmented with no clear front-runner. Additional candidates may yet enter the field. There is a lot of uncertainty. That degree of uncertainty is illustrated by the fact that 'no preference' was cited by the largest share of those surveyed. Once the race proceeds and greater clarity evolves, those close to the lead will very likely receive far more coverage. For now, who is in/is not in/may be entering the field will likely gain greater coverage than actual polling numbers that have little meaning given the present uncertainty. At this time, it is up to the candidates to distinguish themelves from the rest of the field. They cannot or should not expect the media to do it for them.
    Why wouldn't they expect the media to do it for them. It's a whore media, so they must be shortchanging the media. For god's sake, it's a commercial enterprise. I think commercial is the key word.

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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Why wouldn't they expect the media to do it for them. It's a whore media, so they must be shortchanging the media. For god's sake, it's a commercial enterprise. I think commercial is the key word.
    If only Amy Goodman was on everywhere.....lol.....


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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not nearly enough. And it's not like this is an untested assumption, as he just ran for president in 2008. He generated a lot of excitement on the internet, had some extremely dedicated supporters...and fell flat on his face at the ballot box.
    He started out with less than one percent in many of the polls around this time last election. Starting out from ten percent suggests his chances are much better.

    Rand Paul won an election in an extremely Republican year, in an extremely Republican state, against an extremely slimy Democrat, was running for Senate rather than President, hedged on some of his libertarian views more than Ron Paul does, and had a bit more charisma than Ron Paul...and even then he only got 55% of the vote. Ron Paul will need to win many states and will probably not be as lucky as his son was in terms of the political environment.
    Even when his predecessor Jim Bunning was an incumbent running in 2004 when the Republican Party even unseated the Minority Leader of the Senate and he was not able to get anywhere near 55%. Mitch McConnell has only surpassed Rand's vote percentage once.

    Anyway, we've heard this argument all before. In 2007, Ron Paul's diehard supporters on this board were absolutely convinced he was going to be the Republican nominee and the next president. How did that work out?
    I was not "absolutely convinced" he would be, but even then I saw it as a distinct possibility because he was even then polling well in Iowa and New Hampshire. He stood a very good chance of getting third in Iowa (where a number of past nominees placed), which may have allowed him to basically knock McCain and Thompson out of the race. At the time it was also a big fist fight with a lot of uncertainty that some thought might go all the way to the convention.

    Regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, he DOES have to overcome the fact that the establishment doesn't like him. And whining about it doesn't change the reality that it is a major problem for him.
    Objecting to the media deliberately manipulating the outcome of elections is "whining" to you? Not much for freedom of thought, huh? I would think a self-proclaimed liberal would actually be quite opposed to the idea of the corporate media determining who is or isn't someone for whom people should be voting.
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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Not nearly enough. And it's not like this is an untested assumption, as he just ran for president in 2008. He generated a lot of excitement on the internet, had some extremely dedicated supporters...and fell flat on his face at the ballot box.



    Rand Paul won an election in an extremely Republican year, in an extremely Republican state, against an extremely slimy Democrat, was running for Senate rather than President, hedged on some of his libertarian views more than Ron Paul does, and had a bit more charisma than Ron Paul...and even then he only got 55% of the vote. Ron Paul will need to win many states and will probably not be as lucky as his son was in terms of the political environment.

    Anyway, we've heard this argument all before. In 2007, Ron Paul's diehard supporters on this board were absolutely convinced he was going to be the Republican nominee and the next president. How did that work out?



    Regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, he DOES have to overcome the fact that the establishment doesn't like him. And whining about it doesn't change the reality that it is a major problem for him.
    Rand Paul won large in part due to his father's notoriety. I happen to have met both him and his opponent Jack Conway. The differences in either men was funding, clear voice, and the national conversation. Kentucky is actually largely a democratic state going by 2011 registered voters, 1.6 million are Democrat, 1.1 million are Republican, and 200k are other. I am not completely dissatisfied with Paul despite I voted for Conway. He has already said he (along with his father) is against the Paul Ryan plan, and he also voted against extending the USA Patriot act extensions. Paul also won because Kentuckians are dissatisfied with Mitch McConnell and the GOP establishment. Paul probably agrees with you more than any other Republican, to quote Rand:
    Paul goes on to say stuff like "any self-described conservative who 'misses' the last president and his version of the Republican Party should probably quit subscribing to that label," and "if judgment is based on spending and the budget, then Bill Clinton should be considered preferable to Bush."
    I think discrediting Ron Paul is bad and shows that our media truly tries to dictate the conversation, including Fox News. If Ron Paul were to become president and he actually would bargain with Democrats rather than being a dick about everything like his fellow constituents I might actually vote for him over Obama.

    Also let me say I like Ron Paul for the same reasons I like Obama, he is the genuine article and he has no real skeletons in the closet or allegiances to any other company or outside source. I don't care if he seems a bit eccentric he is a better man than most of the GOP.
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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    That is bull****. His approval rating is consistently much higher than his current poll numbers. In other words, a lot of people are willing to back him. Rand Paul won a Senate seat after winning the Republican nomination despite sharing basically the exact same views so obviously his views are not an impediment. Ron Paul is more than capable of winning the nomination and the Presidency. However, he has to overcome the fact that all the organs of the American establishment in defiance of the mythical left-right paradigm are arrayed against him. That all major media, irrespective of their leanings, universally treat him as a non-starter (planting the seed that somehow no one should vote for him because it would be a waste) despite him doing well in the poll numbers is evidence enough of that.
    Rand Paul would have run if his dad wasn't going to. Sorry but Rand is the only one of the two who stood at chance at winning. That's the only way we'll ever have a President Paul. As was mentioned, Ron Pauls ceiling is at around 10% or maybe a bit higher. It's just not enough to win.
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    Re: Romney, Palin Lead Reduced GOP Field for 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Rand Paul would have run if his dad wasn't going to. Sorry but Rand is the only one of the two who stood at chance at winning. That's the only way we'll ever have a President Paul. As was mentioned, Ron Pauls ceiling is at around 10% or maybe a bit higher. It's just not enough to win.
    He also went ahead and proved he was a fake candidate by debating a fake President Obama. That's just something you don't do if you want to be taken seriously as a presidential candidate. Fox News went ahead and let him do this, probably because they know he's too far out of the mainstream right and would never win the support of the current GOP power bloc.

    Rand Paul I agree might have a better shot but he still has some wonky stuff on his record like supporting a business' "right" to racial discrimination and suggesting that the free market would have just handled the "NO BLACKS CAN EAT HERE" thing on its own.
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