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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ... the union is required by law to operate by democratic elections....

    in my own experience - i am a labor official - there is corruption in unions. that is often found when the members neglect to exercise their democratic obligation to oversee the organization which speaks for them....

    Ok, what happens if "Card Check" were to rear its ugly head? Say good bye to that democratic process.

    Can you imagine if, using your own analogy to the Federal Election System here, your vote was not secret?

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, what happens if "Card Check" were to rear its ugly head? Say good bye to that democratic process.

    Can you imagine if, using your own analogy to the Federal Election System here, your vote was not secret?

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    card check is democratic election
    if 50% plus one decide they want a union by so affirming their interest, then that 50% plus one determines that theirs will be a unionized workplace
    what party of majority vote are you missing?
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    card check is democratic election
    if 50% plus one decide they want a union by so affirming their interest, then that 50% plus one determines that theirs will be a unionized workplace
    what party of majority vote are you missing?
    It is not a secret vote anymore though is it now? Pressure, intimidation, and threats can tip that scale.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is not a secret vote anymore though is it now? Pressure, intimidation, and threats can tip that scale.

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    card check is the response to a history of pressure, intimidation and threats ... often firings ... when the employer identifed who had signed the form requesting a unionized workplace

    the delay from the card signing until an election provided the employer with the opportunity to get rid of those who went out on a limb and signed up for the union election to be held

    but again, please share with us what part of majority vote you do not understand
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Which essentially make assembling pointless. Why assemble if you can't negotiate anything? To bake cookies together?

    It would be like opening a bar with no booze and wondering why people don't show up.
    Really? Assembling for any reason but negotiating certain aspects of a contract is pointless? I bet the founding fathers would love that one

    I say the Wisconsin law does NOT prevent anyone from assembling. You show me where it does.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac
    It is not a secret vote anymore though is it now? Pressure, intimidation, and threats can tip that scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    card check is the response to a history of pressure, intimidation and threats ... often firings ... when the employer identifed who had signed the form requesting a unionized workplace

    the delay from the card signing until an election provided the employer with the opportunity to get rid of those who went out on a limb and signed up for the union election to be held

    but again, please share with us what part of majority vote you do not understand
    so, it's better to open the intimidation and threats to everyone, eh?

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    card check is the response to a history of pressure, intimidation and threats ... often firings ... when the employer identifed who had signed the form requesting a unionized workplace

    the delay from the card signing until an election provided the employer with the opportunity to get rid of those who went out on a limb and signed up for the union election to be held

    but again, please share with us what part of majority vote you do not understand
    See, this is the type of tactic that is so dishonest as to not warrant a response, but I will give you one, and ask that you cut the crap.

    So, you are saying that Employers are now using Threats, intimidation, and firings to thwart unionization, yet infer that it is acceptable in favor of the union....Nice hypocricy.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Really? Assembling for any reason but negotiating certain aspects of a contract is pointless? I bet the founding fathers would love that one

    I say the Wisconsin law does NOT prevent anyone from assembling. You show me where it does.
    The intent of the bill is to make the assemblage worthless - therefore attacking the right to assemble. Again: It's like saying, "O

    You ignore my main question: Why is okay for businesses to assemble and lobby government and not workers? Why is it okay for business organizations to lobby legislators to get what they want, but not workers - especially when those businesses might apply for government contracts? What is the difference?

    Businesses subsidies are my taxpayer dollars, too. Contracts with private business are my taxpayer dollars, too. Why should business have a right that workers do not?

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    so, it's better to open the intimidation and threats to everyone, eh?
    it is best to allow the employees to vote and have their cards tabulated without any interference
    50% plus one prevails ... you don't seem to be able to grasp how that works
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is best to allow the employees to vote and have their cards tabulated without any interference
    50% plus one prevails ... you don't seem to be able to grasp how that works
    I grasp it much better than you do, apparently.

    The bill would remove workers’ rights to a federally supervised private ballot election, replacing it with a situation where workers would be asked to sign cards in front of organizers and colleagues, potentially subjecting them to harassment or intimidation. Once a majority of employees have signed cards, the union is immediately recognized.

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