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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Very Republican? You forget that it was a Republican judge, appointed by Tommy Thompson, who made that ruling.
    nope. didn't forget
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    When was it in your life that you really started to apply yourself? Was it when you were still living with your parents, or was it when you left, and ventured off on your own? Unions are vehicles of stagnation, think of entrophy. Unions bargain based on the lowest common denominator. They barter for mediocrity, and settle on function. The idea of the union is antithetical to individualism, an idea that we are the people, but we are individual people. There is strength in the unionized worker, that is for sure, but that strength comes at a price. That price is production! It's always about production, and performance. Unions avoid bargaining based on production and performance.



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    I'm sorry that doesn't really answer my question. Perhaps you could be more specific and less theological.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There is no such thing as a "union right". There are legal actions permitted to them through law, and those actions can be prohibited the same way.
    So individuals and groups don't have the right to form contracts?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Ya know...I still have so little respect for those that left the state. That isn't how you handle a problem, ya know? I don't care what your issue is, what side you're on, you don't leave an argument like that when people are expecting you to represent them. Hiding in another state is a cowardly way to handle the issue.
    They were representing their constituents by stopping a vote in order to hold out for a compromise. Its basically the states version of a filibuster. If you hate the corum rules, you should hate the filibuster rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    unless you are the employer, where the practice of this same right in the same basic way is labeled collusion and anti-competitive.
    Giving more power to the ones who already have power is never good. Giving power to people who do not inherently have power tends to be beneficial for everyone. The problem with unions is they went from acting only in a locality, to working nationally.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are libs really going to bust open the Crystal every time a lib lower court judge tries to stomp the rights of the people? This is headed to the SCOTUS and until then I'd keep it dry.

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    There isn't a need for it to head the SCOTUS, there isn't a federal law or constitutional right being challenged here.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I'm sorry that doesn't really answer my question. Perhaps you could be more specific and less theological.
    Theological? Um, really?



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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    as a longtime california public school teacher i am a career-long member of cta and whatever local union i worked for at the time

    the ta's and ea's have been incredibly good to me, my pay, benefits, work conditions, protections...

    personally, i feel extremely coddled (especially compared to so many of my friends)

    i work 181 days a year, only 3.5 hours per day in the classroom

    i do rather resent the portion of my dues being devoted to political action that almost universally goes against my convictions

    i've been told all my career that i can opt out of the political contribution part of my membership by writing a letter, but i and every conservative i've ever worked with (and there have been quite a few) have all felt it's not really a good career move

    i've never needed union protection, but still...

    opting out of political action would create a lot of animosity at the workplace

    and that's never really smart

    anyway, liking or disliking the union isn't the point, not at all

    america has a very real and very large problem

    for example:

    States Warned of 2.5T Pensions Shortfall

    we simply have to do something significant---now---to solve these utterly unsustainable public outlays and commitments

    it's nothing personal, it's almost now a matter of economic survival

    ask cuomo, ask rahm

    it's a very difficult time

    so many excellent young teachers, their families, so many in houses upside down...

    if the high schoolers in my district gave up our 100 minutes of prep per day and returned to the 50 we managed to make do with before we went to block schedules, ms c***** would be back next year

    i brought it up at a meeting late last year, i put it extremely diplomatically...

    i was received in the spirit i offered it, for which i'm grateful

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Can somebody please give me a point by point why Republicans typically are opposed to unions over democrats?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    The problem with the Wisconsin deal was that the Unions agreed to all the economic conditions if they would keep their bargaining rights, it was refused.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It IS interesting. Here is a link on the Federal Court ruling in Illinois, which will have an effect on efforts to bust union activities in Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and other states. If the Wisconsin ruling goes to Federal Court, or if Walker passes his law again, which will also end up in Federal court, this ruling will be cited. Of course, this has not been tested at the Supreme Court level yet, and I predict that the case will go that far.
    The difference between your cited case and what is happening in Wisconsin is that the Teamsters Local 727 (from your link) is a private union. Not a public union.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    This is the judge who failed to recues herself even though her son is an SEIOU, AFL-CIO political operative.

    No surprise in the ruling here. This isn’t the end of the ride either. It is headed to the State Supreme Court. After the massive amounts of union money poured into the recent SC election, it will be interesting to see how this turns out.

    I never will understand why the lawmakers didn’t just vote on this bill again and replace it with another one unless they think the democrats will do another “leave the state” type of action again to mess up the rules.

    Can anyone with knowledge explain why they don’t just vote again?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Any privilege a union has is granted through law, not through constitutionally enumerated rights.
    The right to assemble? It's pretty clearly stated in the 1st Amendment.

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