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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    There is no such thing as a "union right". There are legal actions permitted to them through law, and those actions can be prohibited the same way.
    There is such thing as right to contract, and freedom of association however.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is such thing as right to contract, and freedom of association however.
    But no "right" to collective bargaining, merely laws granting the privilege..which means a law can remove that privilege.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There is such thing as right to contract, and freedom of association however.
    unless you are the employer, where the practice of this same right in the same basic way is labeled collusion and anti-competitive.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    But no "right" to collective bargaining, merely laws granting the privilege..which means a law can remove that privilege.
    It's born from contract and association, however. A person owns the fruits of their labor. There is no problem with exercising contract rights to argue for better compensation on your labor. Of course the company can decline as well and you have to work it out if you really want to work at the place. As such, the ability to associate with others of your profession and aggregate your bargaining power to best argue for better compensation on your labor is also fine.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

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    unless you are the employer, where the practice of this same right in the same basic way is labeled collusion and anti-competitive.
    It depends on what they are trying to do I would suppose. Also, corporations in and of themselves have no rights; only individuals may possess rights. In the end, I view Unions the same way I view government. There is some amount of base need for them. We've seen what happens when you don't have them, and it's not the best of all outcomes. However, like government, it can grow and expand and ultimately stop serving the purpose for which is was created. And like government, we don't throw out the whole thing and say "not needed", we know anarchy doesn't actually work in the real world. Instead, we stand by their existence but note the double edged nature of the Union. While necessary, it is also necessary to regulate and keep them under control so that they best serve the purpose for which they were created.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It depends on what they are trying to do I would suppose. Also, corporations in and of themselves have no rights; only individuals may possess rights. In the end, I view Unions the same way I view government. There is some amount of base need for them. We've seen what happens when you don't have them, and it's not the best of all outcomes. However, like government, it can grow and expand and ultimately stop serving the purpose for which is was created. And like government, we don't throw out the whole thing and say "not needed", we know anarchy doesn't actually work in the real world. Instead, we stand by their existence but note the double edged nature of the Union. While necessary, it is also necessary to regulate and keep them under control so that they best serve the purpose for which they were created.
    they are colluding in the market to produce an outcome more favorable to them, the same thing individuals are doing by joining a trade union.

    one is a "right", the other is illegal.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    they are colluding in the market to produce an outcome more favorable to them, the same thing individuals are doing by joining a trade union.

    one is a "right", the other is illegal.
    They're selling something which in innately theirs, their labor. They are trying to get the best price they can. Can Unions go too far and gain too much power? Yes, of course they can. It's a balance you're looking to strike between labor and company. If instead of saying that we should get rid of unions and rather say that we need to create competing unions, fine by me. But in the end, I don't necessarily see a problem with the base ability of people to associate with others to strengthen their barganing power in order to better argue labor compensation. Furthermore, I don't see anything particularly wrong with proper labor laws. We've gone the no union route, we've gone the laizie-fair route; we've seen the outcomes. There is need for some amount of government regulation, and that should come through in this case of Union/Company via federal contract arbitrators who can settle a case if Union and Company cannot come to an agreement on their own.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

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    The Wisconsin Republican political leadership this year has squandered its numerical advantage through its contempt for the people and the law. The judicial branch today, set things straight at least temporarily, and, perhaps, through the political recall process, the people will soon straighten it out for the longer term.
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