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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Not even remotely related to worker safety. You, like PB before you... fail.
    an example of a worker benefit that the union will negotiate which osha will not
    yet another instance beneficial to the employee because of unionization
    a type of benefit lost if the union is no longer to negotiate on the employees' behalf

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    I said...
    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian
    worker safety is governed by OSHA, not anything decided in collective bargaining. You fail.
    you replied...
    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba
    not true
    one example from personal experience was the negotiated right to step away from a computer screen - to do something else for at least 10 minutes - each hour
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    an example of a worker benefit that the union will negotiate which osha will not
    yet another instance beneficial to the employee because of unionization
    a type of benefit lost if the union is no longer to negotiate on the employees' behalf

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    Of course OSHA will not.... because it has nothing to do with OSHA, since it has nothing to do with worker safety, which was the subtopic of this tangent, between PB, you and I.

    Fail.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

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    Of course OSHA will not.... because it has nothing to do with OSHA, since it has nothing to do with worker safety, which was the subtopic of this tangent, between PB, you and I.

    Fail.
    you indicated osha would take care of employee workplace concerns such that the union was not required to address them
    i found an actual example to show your assertion to be wrong
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    For what purpose?

    If the union can't negotiate for its members, what is its purpose?

    Please answer my damn question, will you? If assembling for the purposes of lobbying government is so evil, then why do businesses do it and why don't you point your finger of scorn and hiss at them at the same time? It's because you don't think people should have the same power as business, right? I have to assume because you won't answer.

    In the free market: what does competition do for the consumer?
    You beat me to it. This isn't just an attack on one union, it's an attack on all unions. The vulgar Marxists of the business class recognize unions as vehicles of workerplace democracy, therefore, they must be destroyed at all costs. It's as simple as that.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    For what purpose?

    If the union can't negotiate for its members, what is its purpose?

    Please answer my damn question, will you? If assembling for the purposes of lobbying government is so evil, then why do businesses do it and why don't you point your finger of scorn and hiss at them at the same time? It's because you don't think people should have the same power as business, right? I have to assume because you won't answer.

    In the free market: what does competition do for the consumer?
    The only thing that the bill stopped as far as collective bargaining goes was for anything that related to pay. IE paychecks, retirement funds etc etc. There are other things to negotiate other than pay raises, such as safety concerns, insurance etc etc.

    As far as buisnesses doing the lobbying of politicians to gain favor, Believe me when I state that should be stopped if at all possible. Or very very strict guidlines on when, where and how they lobby.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I said...


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    you go on to state...


    Of course OSHA will not.... because it has nothing to do with OSHA, since it has nothing to do with worker safety, which was the subtopic of this tangent, between PB, you and I.

    Fail.
    If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that stepping away from a computer screen for 10 minutes every hour 'has nothing to do with safety'.

    I'm sorry to inform you, but you FAIL. Or maybe your eyes have gone bad from staring at computer.

    Better luck next time.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85 View Post
    You beat me to it. This isn't just an attack on one union, it's an attack on all unions. The vulgar Marxists of the business class recognize unions as vehicles of workerplace democracy, therefore, they must be destroyed at all costs. It's as simple as that.
    Puleeze.

    This law is strictly about public unions. Not Private unions. They can still do what they want. So long as the company is willing to deal with unions. You all seem to forget that a company does NOT have to deal with unions. They could very well fire the lot of anyone that protested and tell the unions where to stick it once it is time to renew any contract they may have with any particular union. Despite what you may think Unions are not ALL POWERFUL entities.

    Now, knowing this, why would/should a government job be any different? Why should a government job give into ANY demands of a union if they do not want to? Workers are a dime a dozen (especially at over 9% unemployment) and people can be trained if needed or hired right out of collage.

    At one time in the past yeah, unions could hurt companies. Know why? There were a hell of a lot less people living in the US when Unions where first formed and not near the easy transportation that we have now. Now however we have more people than we do jobs.
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you indicated osha would take care of employee workplace concerns such that the union was not required to address them
    i found an actual example to show your assertion to be wrong
    I said no such thing. I said workplace SAFETY concerns are the purview of OSHA. Show me where I said anything different, or be branded a liar.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If I'm reading this correctly, you're saying that stepping away from a computer screen for 10 minutes every hour 'has nothing to do with safety'.

    I'm sorry to inform you, but you FAIL. Or maybe your eyes have gone bad from staring at computer.

    Better luck next time.
    Correct. It does not. The fail, as usual, is yours.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Correct. It does not. The fail, as usual, is yours.
    Actually the fail is yours. Looking at a computer screen for hours on end is just as bad was watching TV too close to the TV. IE bad for the eyesight. Which since it harms the eye's it is a safety concern as anything which can harm the body is considered a safety hazard.
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