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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The intent of the bill is to make the assemblage worthless - therefore attacking the right to assemble.
    The intent of the bill is to save the tax payers money by preventing certain types of things from being negotiated by unions. NOTHING in the bill prevents those same unions from assembling.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I grasp it much better than you do, apparently.

    The bill would remove workersí rights to a federally supervised private ballot election, replacing it with a situation where workers would be asked to sign cards in front of organizers and colleagues, potentially subjecting them to harassment or intimidation. Once a majority of employees have signed cards, the union is immediately recognized.
    the you do finally grasp that 50% plus one would prevail
    give this forumite extra credit for acknowledging the obvious
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the you do finally grasp that 50% plus one would prevail
    give this forumite extra credit for acknowledging the obvious
    no ****,. but what you utterly fail to recognize is that the secrecy is completely removed. You might be ok with voting no in public, but Uncle Fred with a wife, 2 kids, and a bad heart might not want to deal with the unions intimidating him.

    Look, it's simple...

    With card check, the unions FORCE a public revelation of the employees true stance on the unionization efforts... no secrecy.

    Without card check, the employees are safe in the knowledge that the unions cannot intimidate them into a particular vote, as their vote remains secret.

    Either way, you still have your majority rule, but with card check, an extremely important employee safeguard is removed.

    You're obviously fine with removing important employee safeguards, but I am not.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The intent of the bill is to save the tax payers money by preventing certain types of things from being negotiated by unions. NOTHING in the bill prevents those same unions from assembling.
    You seem to forget that the public unions already conceded to the demands of Gov. Walker. Besides there are many other issues other than money - like working conditions, safety and in the case of teachers -class sizes.


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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You seem to forget that the public unions already conceded to the demands of Gov. Walker. Besides there are many other issues other than money - like working conditions, safety and in the case of teachers -class sizes.
    show me where in the law it prohibits discussions about worker safety. OSHA would love to see it.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    show me where in the law it prohibits discussions about worker safety. OSHA would love to see it.
    Unless the worker has colective barganing rights, they don't have a leg to stand on, other than a lawsuit.


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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The intent of the bill is to save the tax payers money by preventing certain types of things from being negotiated by unions. NOTHING in the bill prevents those same unions from assembling.
    For what purpose?

    If the union can't negotiate for its members, what is its purpose?

    Please answer my damn question, will you? If assembling for the purposes of lobbying government is so evil, then why do businesses do it and why don't you point your finger of scorn and hiss at them at the same time? It's because you don't think people should have the same power as business, right? I have to assume because you won't answer.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Unless the worker has colective barganing rights, they don't have a leg to stand on, other than a lawsuit.
    worker safety is governed by OSHA, not anything decided in collective bargaining. You fail.

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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    worker safety is governed by OSHA, not anything decided in collective bargaining. You fail.
    not true
    one example from personal experience was the negotiated right to step away from a computer screen - to do something else for at least 10 minutes - each hour
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Judge voids controversial Wisconsin union law

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not true
    one example from personal experience was the negotiated right to step away from a computer screen - to do something else for at least 10 minutes - each hour
    Not even remotely related to worker safety. You, like PB before you... fail.

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