The $100 Million Health Care Vote?

underdog334 · 11-20-09, 12:24 PM

This bill does nothing to contain the spiraling costs of healthcare,but simply adds to that cost and shifts it from "rich" to "poor",and then ultimately to the healthcare providers.

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-20-09, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by underdog334

This bill does nothing to contain the spiraling costs of healthcare,but simply adds to that cost and shifts it from "rich" to "poor",and then ultimately to the healthcare providers.

Of course not.

The 800-lb gorilla of Messiah Care isn't the costs.

It isn't the health.

It's the power the politicians gain by making a further 1/6 of the national economy dependent on them. When the government owns the hospitals, hospices, and clinics, when the government has absorbed the clerks now employed by the soon-to-be defunct insurance companies, they all get goonionized and SEIU's leadership is given stronger strings to pull.

Power to the people...

....who run the government and the goonions.

That's what the "healthcare" debate isn't debating at all.

Crunch · 11-20-09, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Redress

Got a source more reliable than a blog?

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14 SEC. 2006. SPECIAL ADJUSTMENT TO FMAP DETERMINA
15 TION FOR CERTAIN STATES RECOVERING
16 FROM A MAJOR DISASTER.

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politic...e-care-act.pdf

It starts on pg. 432

EpicDude86 · 11-20-09, 03:21 PM

Doesn't sound so crazy...

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Originally Posted by Norman Thomas

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.

Councilman · 11-20-09, 03:42 PM

Let's see what did Obama say; President Obama's Pledge Never to Raise Taxes on Anyone Making Less Than $250000 a Year - Google Videos

And what is in the Reid version of Obama's I Don't Really Care Abut Your Health Plan?

1.40% excise tax on health coverage in excess of $8,500 (individuals) / $23,000 (families). Amounts are indexed for inflation by CPI-U + 1% – begins in 2013 – $149 B tax increase
2.Additional 0.5% Medicare (Hospital Insurance) tax on wages in excess of $200,000 ($250,000 for joint filers) – begins in 2013 – $54 B tax increase
3.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs – begins in 2010 – $22 B tax increase
4.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices – begins in 2010 – $19 B tax increase
5.Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of health insurance plans – begins in 2010 – $60 B tax increase
6.Cut in half (to $500K) the amount of an executive’s compensation that a health plan can deduct from its corporate income taxes – begins in 2013 – $600 million tax increase
7.Impose 5% excise tax on cosmetic surgery and similar procedures – begins for surgery in 2010 – $6 B tax increase!
In total the bill would raise taxes by $370 B over ten years.

Gee this means Obama lied, so what's new.

Albert Di Salvo · 11-20-09, 03:45 PM

It took a "perfect storm" to empower the left of the Democratic Party. So many Democratic senators and congressmen seem like they're willing to fall on their swords in order to enact some form of the PO. Maybe that's because they know this moment will not happen again in their lifetimes.