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Senate Finance Committee Public Option amendment votes

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Rockefeller's Public Option Amendment failed in the SFC:

"The final vote was 8-15 with 5 Democrats--Conrad, Lincoln, Carper, Bill Nelson, and Chairman Baucus--voting with all Republicans to kill the proposal."

Rockefeller's Public Option Amendment Fails; Schumer's Public Option Up Next | TPMDC


This was the 'strong' public option amendment in the finance committee. There's still a Schumer amendment, and a Schumer/Cantwell amendment (other public option versions), and Snowe's triggered public option amendment.


I am thinking the bill will come out of Finance with no public option
 
Here's a description of the public option amendments the SFC will vote on:


The three proposals before the Finance Committee are:

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Rockefeller: The plan would start in 2013 and abide by the same regulations as private plans. The secretary of health and human services could negotiate prescription drug prices and modernize the way medical services are delivered and paid for. Reimbursement rates would be based on Medicare rates plus 5% for most doctors. Hospitals and doctors that participate in Medicare would provide services under the new plan unless they opted out. Update 3 p.m. ET Tuesday: The committee defeated this amendment 15-8.

Schumer/Cantwell: The plan by Sens. Charles Schumer of New York and Maria Cantwell of Washington would be self-sustaining through premiums. The secretary would negotiate reimbursement rates and they could not be higher than the average rate of all other plans in the exchange or gateway. (This is the same provision included in a reform bill passed by the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions).

Schumer Level-Playing-Field Option: The plan would be self-sustaining through premiums and co-payments, and like private plans, would have to establish a reserve fund. Reimbursement rates would be negotiated. The government could not use Medicare "like a stick" to get doctors and hospitals to participate. They could opt in if they wanted. Florida Democrat Bill Nelson has not committed to anything, but said recently that Schumer's level-playing-field option is "very attractive."

If all of the above fail, the fallback is Snowe's "safety net fallback plan," or trigger. It would set up a non-profit government corporation to provide a safety-net plan. The plan would be available in any state in which affordable coverage was not available on the exchange to at least 95 percent of state residents.

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Debate on Public Health Insurance Plan Explodes in Senate -- Politics Daily
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How does this douche bag Senator from liberal Delaware get away with voting against the pubic option?
 
dragondad said:
How does this douche bag Senator from liberal Delaware get away with voting against the pubic option?
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I don't think Carper's a liberal, is he?
But, still, good question !
 
jackalope said:
This was the 'strong' public option amendment in the finance committee. There's still a Schumer amendment, and a Schumer/Cantwell amendment (other public option versions), and Snowe's triggered public option amendment.


I am thinking the bill will come out of Finance with no public option
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I think the Schumer Amendment is what most of the Democrats will vote for...and Snowe's proposal will be the fallback. I think we're most likely to end up with something similar to Snowe's proposal in the final bill.
 
Seems that most of the Democrats on the Finance committee are more moderate, that said, I have serious doubts that a public option could have passed a general senate vote.

Still might try to see the issue forced in conference, have to wait and see.
 
Kandahar said:
I think the Schumer Amendment is what most of the Democrats will vote for...and Snowe's proposal will be the fallback. I think we're most likely to end up with something similar to Snowe's proposal in the final bill.
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Well, ur right, more Dems voted for the Schumer amendment, but it just failed too:


Schumer Public Option Amendment Fails in Finance Committee
Brian Beutler | September 29, 2009, 3:42PM

The Senate Finance Committee can't even endorse a modest public option like Chuck Schumer's. Citing his belief that a public option can't pass on the Senate floor "at this time," Finance chairman Max Baucus joined two Democrats and all Republicans in voting down the amendment, which failed 10 to 13.

Joining Baucus on the Democrats' side of the dais were Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) and, by proxy, Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) who wasn't present for the vote.

There will be no public option in the Finance Committee's health care bill.

Schumer Public Option Amendment Fails in Finance Committee | TPMDC
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FlanaganReport said:
Seems that most of the Democrats on the Finance committee are more moderate, that said, I have serious doubts that a public option could have passed a general senate vote.

Still might try to see the issue forced in conference, have to wait and see.
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I think it could pass a general Senate vote, but not the Finance Committee.
 
jackalope said:
Well, ur right, more Dems voted for the Schumer amendment, but it just failed too:
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This is the media's and right wing definition of "bipartisanship"


.....all GOP Senators voting against the Democratic bill joined by a handfull of conservative Democrats.


Do you see why now any liberal talking about "bipartisanship" with these radicals is a sucker of the first order?
 
FlanaganReport said:
You think? I would be inclined to think it could only pass if they did it through reconciliation.
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I've heard alot of talk of the Senate Dems hanging together on procedural votes (cloture) and going their own way on the bill substance.
 
dragondad said:
This is the media's and right wing definition of "bipartisanship"


.....all GOP Senators voting against the Democratic bill joined by a handfull of conservative Democrats.


Do you see why now any liberal talking about "bipartisanship" with these radicals is a sucker of the first order?
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:lol: :lol: Those Damn Dems are more likely to band up with GOPers than vice versa.
 
jackalope said:
Rockefeller's Public Option Amendment failed in the SFC:

"The final vote was 8-15 with 5 Democrats--Conrad, Lincoln, Carper, Bill Nelson, and Chairman Baucus--voting with all Republicans to kill the proposal."

Rockefeller's Public Option Amendment Fails; Schumer's Public Option Up Next | TPMDC


This was the 'strong' public option amendment in the finance committee. There's still a Schumer amendment, and a Schumer/Cantwell amendment (other public option versions), and Snowe's triggered public option amendment.


I am thinking the bill will come out of Finance with no public option
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i'm disappointed. we need a public option.
 
liblady said:
i'm disappointed. we need a public option.
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It's not over yet. Still three places it could be added. Well, four, if you count Snowe's triggered public option.


The Senate HELP and Finance Commitee bills have to be merged into one bill for the whole Senate to vote on; the HELP Committee has a public option (that was Kennedy's committee).

If the merged bill doesn't have a public option, one can be voted in by amendment on the Senate floor.

If the bill does leave the Senate, one can be conferenced in during the conference committee when they merge the House and Senate bills. The House bill will have a public option, so it's still possible to be added to the conference report.
 
jackalope said:
It's not over yet. Still three places it could be added. Well, four, if you count Snowe's triggered public option.


The Senate HELP and Finance Commitee bills have to be merged into one bill for the whole Senate to vote on; the HELP Committee has a public option (that was Kennedy's committee).

If the merged bill doesn't have a public option, one can be voted in by amendment on the Senate floor.

If the bill does leave the Senate, one can be conferenced in during the conference committee when they merge the House and Senate bills. The House bill will have a public option, so it's still possible to be added to the conference report.
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thanks, but i'm having a hard time believing we will actually get it.
 
What's this? Something brand new (to me, at least):

A new alternative to the public option is emerging

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Democratic Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington said a few moments ago that she is planning to offer an amendment to give states the power to negotiate down the price of insurance. If insurance companies agree to cover a chunk of the uninsured, states would help pay for the coverage. The states negotiate with insurers to set the cost and coverage of the program. The rates wouldn't be tied to Medicare or Medicaid, but set at the state level, she said.

... Cantwell said she is waiting on a CBO cost estimate before introducing the amendment.

A new alternative to the public option is emerging - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com
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dragondad said:
How does this douche bag Senator from liberal Delaware get away with voting against the pubic option?
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He probably listened to his constituents and decided he liked his job... That's why none of this crap is going to pass.
 
Crunch said:
He probably listened to his constituents and decided he liked his job... That's why none of this crap is going to pass.
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Another right wing poster living in la-la land.

The majority favor the public option ( to say nothing of liberal Delaware)

Numerous polls show this.

Health Policy

NYT 9/23

"Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?"

Yes! 65%
 
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dragondad said:
Another right wing poster living in la-la land.

The majority favor the public option ( to say nothing of liberal Delaware)

Numerous polls show this.

Health Policy

NYT 9/23

"Would you favor or oppose the government offering everyone a government-administered health insurance plan -- something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get -- that would compete with private health insurance plans?"

Yes! 65%
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The majority are opposed to the bills coming out of Congress.

Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports
 
the majority have no clue what is coming out of congress.
 
dragondad said:
How does this douche bag Senator from liberal Delaware get away with voting against the pubic option?
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Damn Democrats, not all voting in lock-step with The Obama!
How dare they!!

And to think that -some- people blame the GOP for the hold up.
 
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