TheHat

LMAO! Well, healthcare is being sold as a "right" by the government. So, either you provide everybody the equal right, or it cant be a right at all.

2nd, if you condone rationing of care, how is that better quality care, which is also a staple of the government run health system.

Perhaps you didnt watch the video? They sent her a letter telling her instead of paying for chemotherapy, they would most certainly pay for physician assisted death. I dont know how more blunt they have to be for you to understand that.

Exactly, which makes the entire arguement FOR UHC ridiculous b/c the government cannot match funds with the amount of care needed, if they are gonna proclaim healthcare is a right.

Just turn to Medicare and Medicaid as examples. Those stellar programs are running in the black arent they?

TheHat

Well for starters, the private sector insurance company cant mandate that I have coverage. They also cant put a gun to my head and tell me if I dont have coverage they will fine me.

Why do you guys WANT the government to run your lives for you? Can anybody for this please explain that to me? I cant wrap my brain around why someone would want an entity who cant run its other 2 healthcare programs properly, would want to turn over their entire care to that same entity. It defies all rational thought processes.

TheHat

It would appear the example you speak of above, is not the example provided in the video now is it?

If the government takes over healthcare, there will be no other options. The government is not about providing people choices. Its about consolodating power so that more and more people are dependent upon it for daily activities.

Lord Obama already stated to a woman whose mother had a pacemaker put in at 99 years of age, that perhaps taking a pill is the answer instead. The government has to look at every person as a liability and determine each persons worth to the system. You will basically get eugenics of 1920 and 1930s all over again, only this time it will be mandated by law.

TheHat

Kind of blows the entire premise that healthcare is a "right" out of the water doesnt it?

Um, what is the difference b/w deciding what healthcare you get and deciding what to pay for? If the government is gonna determine what it will pay for, then they are also determining what kind of healthcare you can get through them.

Are you for UHC? If so, and you proclaim this to be the exact system we already have, why change the system over to 1 that cant be held accountable?

WillRockwell

Because the uninsured health needs of the 40 million Americans who are not insured are draining the resources needed by the rest of us. It would be much, much cheaper to have everyone enrolled in some plan. And despite your ridiculous assertions about government not running programs properly, Medicare and the VA are efficient systems which are much appreciated by those served by them.

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RightinNYC

Is there a reason you responded twice?

I don't think healthcare is a right, so what's your point?

Not that I'm a fan of it, but I don't think you understand the proposed system.

I don't know how much more blunt I have to be - this is no different from any situation today. Medicare will not cover a $2m/year treatment that would keep a comatose person alive. They will cover the cost of short term care and pulling the plug. Is that "killing"?

No, they're absolute ****. What's your point?

Do you not see how "what kind of healthcare you can get through them" is different from "what kind of healthcare you can get"?

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TheHat

Well false fact #1, is that there are not 40 million uninsured Americans. Why do you guys keep propagandizing that number?

Medicare isnt run efficiently. Nor is the VA. Medicare isnt even solvent for Christ's sake.

TheHat

Responded twice to what?



It doesnt matter what you think, what matters is the left is selling healthcare as a right for all Americans to have. That was my point. Operating from that factual premise, the idea that that right will be rationed and tied to monetary funding doesnt make it a right at all.

I understand it just fine, thanks.

Well if Medicare is no different then the quasi-private system we have, why do we bother to have it at all???

If you cant figure out my point, then I cant help you.

RightinNYC

So you're arguing that healthcare shouldn't be a right, and are then saying that the dems proposals on this would not make healthcare a right?

I don't know what you're trying to argue here.

What are you talking about?

The proposed system is not any different from Medicare which is not any different from private health insurance in that there is a cost-benefit analysis made in each situation that will occasionally result in denial of a treatment. The systems are further identical in that you are free to seek that treatment outside of the system if you wish.

The fact that those two things are the same doesn't mean that the systems are interchangeable.

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