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Old 09-14-05, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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History books that warrant a good reading

I know in the US politics section they have one similiar, and I think this thread can follow a similiar path..


I just want to make a different thread because I think good hardcore history books deserve their own space...
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Excellent first post - it deserves a sticky.
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Old 09-14-05, 07:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: History books that warrant a good reading

The Politically Incorrect Guide To American History

It is an eye opener.

It shows the Constitution in its INTENDED (and Woods demonstrates thoroughly that it was intended) context.

It disengages myths about the Civil War.

It breaks down the ACTUAL effects of FDR's welfare state crusade.





By the way, I wouldn't expect to get much diversity on this topic. National book sales over the last twenty years have always shown solidly that liberals don't read. Conservative books fly off the shelves like mad despite constant hurdles to getting published. Liberals get multi-million-dollar advances regardless of how repeatedly liberal books flop.

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I know in the US politics section they have one similiar, and I think this thread can follow a similiar path..


I just want to make a different thread because I think good hardcore history books deserve their own space...
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Re: History books that warrant a good reading

Here are some good Scholarly books to open Eyes reasonably, and arent propoganda but serious analysis's and such, such as:

"Wilson's War: How Woodrow Wilsons Great Blunder Caused Lenin, Hitler, stalin, and World War II" By Jim Powell. (Shows in a study how the effects of Wilson joining WWI Caused the biggest mass murderers in History to pop up.)

"Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions since World War II" By William Blum. (Lists the dozens of US Imperialistic attacks since WWII, including many places and many US-Sponsered Geonicides that normal people havent heard of, like the mass killing of Native People in Guatalmala, and The Indonesian Geonicide and such.)

"The Holocaust Industry" By Norman Finkelstein (Opens eyes on The Jewish Influence on the US, Its very controversial so read it to see the controversy.)

"Derailing Democracy: The America the Media Don't Want You to See" By David McGowan. (Note: This is not too scholarly but nonetheless)

"Land of Hypocrisy, Second Edition" by Kennie Anderson

"Pawns of Yalta" By Elliot. (Shows how the US Cowarded down to the soviets and sent over 1,000,000 Soviet POWs to their cold deaths)

"Perpetual Peace for Perpetual War" (Numerous Authors)(Shows in a scholarly study how FDR's Foreign Policy caused great mayhem to the world and how Pearl Harbor and the road to war actually was done.)

"The Great Terror: A Reassesment" By Robert Conquest (Shows how the US openly ignored proof that geonicide and terror was happening inside russia, but failed to act or care.)

"American Holocaust" By stannard (Shows how millions upon millions of indians (Estimated 100,000,000) were killed by European imperialism. Only 10,000,000 Was the result of the US, the rest was mainly the other imperialist powers and mainly spain.)
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Re: History books that warrant a good reading

There is history, and then there is propoganda. It seems that most of the examples given fall into the later catagory.
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No Not really, Its Schoarly Studies, Not propoganda which is basically newspapers, those funny named books, and such. Yet I agree one or 2 of them are propoganda, but still gain new perspectives. I take back "The Land of Hypocricy" and "what the US Media wont let you see", and advise caution in "US Military INtervention since WWII", Those I agree are biased, but still you must read those to see the other sides views, but yes they are partial propoganda.
The Rest I solidly believe is good solid scholarly and truthful works

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No Not really, Its Schoarly Studies, Not propoganda which is basically newspapers, those funny named books, and such. Yet I agree one or 2 of them are propoganda, but still gain new perspectives. I take back "The Land of Hypocricy" and "what the US Media wont let you see", and advise caution in "US Military INtervention since WWII", Those I agree are biased, but still you must read those to see the other sides views, but yes they are partial propoganda.
The Rest I solidly believe is good solid scholarly and truthful works

Revisions of history are helpful -- when they're based on all the available documents and other evidence, and are not mere brattiness on the part of the scholar. It's a big jump from "revision" to "revisionism". Many journalists who do their homework would tell you a "scholar" opinion is is just what they present you with....and many, many previous historians....established and recognized.....would question the validity of Jim Powell's conclusions, to name one of your sources.
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"American Holocaust" By stannard (Shows how millions upon millions of indians (Estimated 100,000,000) were killed by European imperialism. Only 10,000,000 Was the result of the US, the rest was mainly the other imperialist powers and mainly spain.)
And most people blame these deaths on America. Why is this? Because they believe whatever they hear.

Besides, communism has a similar total racked up (100 million, give or take), and I have yet to see a *successful* communist country. Pretty much all of them are completely controlled by the government. Turns out living conditions are crap there too... Most forms of government are better than democracy, until you add people. Human beings tend to be corrupted by power, which is why socialism will never work.

A point I would like to bring up is that genocide is NOT new. It is not something white people invented (which is what most hardcore leftist college professors want you to believe). Genocide and slavery go back to the beginning of time. Genocide is only popping up in force this past few centuries because military technology allows killing of people on a massive scale.

Want to know what killed the most Indians? Disease. Smallpox, whooping cough, and others wiped out far more indians than any army ever could. Disease would have decimated the Indians whether the conquistadors attacked them or not. Eventually the Indians built up resistances to the diseases, but the damage was done. What happened, happened, and there is no point in blaming present day America for something that happened almost 500 years ago.

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The Superpower Myth-Nancy Soderberg

This book chronicles the Clinton administration's policy on foreign policy and is quite balanced.
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