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P.J. O'Rourke on Millennials and Baby Boomers

Disrupting Washington and giving the disenfranchised Americans a voice in Washington

And that's where I depart with you. If Trump is not serious about his appalling racist garbage, is serious about nationalized healthcare/Wallstreet reform/etc, he disregards the conservative talking points, and so forth, and finally gives me a reason to think that this time he's speaking honestly, then I would actually genuinely consider voting for him.

But I don't think that's true. So far, Donald Trump is portraying himself as the next Hitlerian figure, and I think he has every intention of becoming the next fascist leader. I want change, but I don't want just any change. We could elect the former leader of the USSR, too, and that would be change and a different perspective than America's seen in a while. But I'll pass on that option.

We know for 100% sure that leaving Washington alone will not work, sending Trump at least has a better than 0% chance of working. And just wait till the next election cycle, we will get much better candidates than Trump and Sanders now that bright people know that the American people want something new.

I really want to agree with the reasoning, but you also have to factor in that there's also a non-zero chance that he is seriously trying to be the next fascist Party leader of the US. And that would be far, far worse than what's currently in Washington. It can always get worse.
 
I don't count Bernie out just yet. He's still doing far better than anyone predicted.
Fair enough.

But I see the writing on the wall.

"Better than predicted" is not the same as winning (the nomination), but I sincerely do hope you're right, and I'm wrong.

But unfortunately I just don't see the numbers for him being there, with his Achilles' Heel being his lack of taking the black vote away from the Secy.
 
Fair enough.

But I see the writing on the wall.

"Better than predicted" is not the same as winning (the nomination), but I sincerely do hope you're right, and I'm wrong.

But unfortunately I just don't see the numbers for him being there, with his Achilles' Heel being his lack of taking the black vote away from the Secy.

Yeah, it's a thoroughly bizarre problem for him to have.
 
And that's where I depart with you. If Trump is not serious about his appalling racist garbage, is serious about nationalized healthcare/Wallstreet reform/etc, he disregards the conservative talking points, and so forth, and finally gives me a reason to think that this time he's speaking honestly, then I would actually genuinely consider voting for him.

But I don't think that's true. So far, Donald Trump is portraying himself as the next Hitlerian figure, and I think he has every intention of becoming the next fascist leader. I want change, but I don't want just any change. We could elect the former leader of the USSR, too, and that would be change and a different perspective than America's seen in a while. But I'll pass on that option.



I really want to agree with the reasoning, but you also have to factor in that there's also a non-zero chance that he is seriously trying to be the next fascist Party leader of the US. And that would be far, far worse than what's currently in Washington. It can always get worse.


Thus being the same old guy who has spent his entire life trying to figure out what people want to buy and then trying to convince them to buy from him. It has always been about what the customer wants not what he wants, which is how almost all good businessmen operate. What exactly gives you the idea that he is racist? He has not said anything that gives me that sense. I know that over his life he has often empowerer women but does he have any record of not hiring non whites for management in his companies? Does he have a record of not hiring non white contractors? Does he give money to non white politicians? Since he does not talk like a racist these are the kinds of things you need to show me if I am to conclude that he is a racist. As for "Fascist", that word is so over used as to be almost meaningless, like "rape". With me one needs to tell me exactly what they think the problem is, sticking a one word label on the activity is not going to cut it. What would Trump do do you think that would be bad for America, or for me? I like that he wants to be feared, one of the biggest reasons Obama can not get anything done is that no one fears him, we learned long ago that all he has in his toolbox are lectures and temper tantrums, he does not know how to use power. I want to elect someone who seems to understand power.
 
Yeah, it's a thoroughly bizarre problem for him to have.
Well, being first a mayor, and later a Senator, both from Vermont, he never cultivated the black vote in the way the Clinton's have as they've been working on the national scale. I do believe he is strong for the cause, and he has participated in the civil rights movement back in the day. But the Clinton's have been actively courting and wooing this demographic for decades!

Bernie has the substance, but he's late to the game on the PR front!

And in politics, perception is everything!
 
With me one needs to tell me exactly what they think the problem is, sticking a one word label on the activity is not going to cut it. What would Trump do do you think that would be bad for America, or for me? I like that he wants to be feared, one of the biggest reasons Obama can not get anything done is that no one fears him, we learned long ago that all he has in his toolbox are lectures and temper tantrums, he does not know how to use power. I want to elect someone who seems to understand power.

I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree here, because I find that terrifying. Fascists speak in these terms, of needing to maintain order through fear, of needing to centralize power, of not needing "rights" and "liberties" and "freedoms."




Well, being first a mayor, and later a Senator, both from Vermont, he never cultivated the black vote in the way the Clinton's have as they've been working on the national scale. I do believe he is strong for the cause, and he has participated in the civil rights movement back in the day. But the Clinton's have been actively courting and wooing this demographic for decades!

You know though, there's a part of me that just wants to vote for Trump. Again, not because he's going to be a good president. If we vote in a non-Trump Republican, we'll have a financial collapse the next day because they'll probably stop deregulation period. And if we vote in Clinton, she'll do nothing about the banks, and so we'll have a collapse in slightly more time than actively pushing for a financial collapse like Rubio or Cruz would. Maybe it'll take a year or two.

Or we could have Sanders. But we can't have Sanders, because Sanders is crazy and kookie, and has the audacity to make sense when he speaks. This is intolerable, we can't have this --and that's coming from the so-called "liberals" in this country. That should tell you everything you need to know about what the term "liberal" represents. They're why we can't have nice things. It's not conservatives faults. The system is broken and corrupt, it's no longer functioning, and it is fundamentally broken. And Democrats love it just as much as the Republicans do. Not even just the politicians, but the voters, too. They love to feel bad about how horrible America's been for black people, and women, and gays, and transgenders, and so on, but when it's their turn to step up to the bat and actually ****ing do something about it? Crickets.

Where was Hillary when the Civil Rights movement was going on? She was too busy living the life of luxury and campaigning for Richard Nixon and the Republican Party. Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, was jailed fighting for Civil Rights. When it was Hillary Clinton's turn with Bill for making laws? She further criminalize the black lifestyle, she referred to black youth as "super predators" who "need to be taken off the street." They caused the incarceration rate of African-Americans to go up threefold. But you know what black voters had to say about Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, and what made the difference in tonight South Carolina primary when blacks voted in record numbers?

"Eighty-three of blacks saw Clinton as trustworthy, while just 52 percent said that about Sanders. And while 88 percent of blacks said they trusted Clinton to handle race relations, fewer than half, 48 percent, trusted Sanders on this issue."​

And you know who's so much worse? The rich white liberals who love Hillary. The one's who love to complain about how racist the South is, as they drink their morning coffee before they go to their office at Goldman-Sachs to help screw blacks and whites alike out of their savings. I guess in that sense, they aren't racist when they will screw anyone of any color --they're principled like that. The only color they see is green.

So on the Right you have a bunch of racists, or borderline theocrats, or sexists, and generally uneducated people who're convinced that the politicians who're going to "Keep your government hands off of my Medicare!" come from the Republican Party. These are the people who listen to Trump, or Cruz, or Rubio, and say "You know... That makes sense!" And then you have the so-called "liberals," who apparently don't hate blacks, they just need to see them jailed because they need kickbacks from private prisons. And they join into the gay marriage movement only a year before it ends (That was 2013 for Hillary).

So I guess what I'm saying is, "Donald Trump: Not the President that America needs, just the President that America deserves."
 
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