http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/ Non-biased and non-partisan political forums. Debate topics may include breaking news today, media bias, abortion, warfare, conspiracy theories, economics, climate change and health care discussion. en Sun, 19 May 2013 20:53:04 GMT vBulletin 60 http://images.debatepolitics.com/misc/rss.jpg http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/ http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/650-propaganda.html Thu, 14 Jun 2012 07:08:19 GMT A lot of people are quick to shout propaganda.

Do they see the propaganda, really?

Iran this, Iran that, Iran the other. First it was Iraq...been there. The it was Afghanistan...been there. Lebanon...been there. Libya...been there. Now the propaganda is pushing Iran. Oh my God, Iran's going to go nuclear and blow everyone off the face of the earth. Then they'll eat the bodies. Someone should go over there and stop them, wink wink.

Get real. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/650-propaganda.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/648-fox-news-gets-busted.html Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:54:43 GMT [video=youtube;rAlV5QFGUjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAlV5QFGUjw&feature=player_embedded[/video]

I'm sure there are a million more of these- as some of my peers here likel to say- with just a few clicks of google. But no matter what you show, it all seems to point down to propaganda for them.

I'm trying to raise awareness on certain things. Please excuse my clumsiness in my efforts so far but I'll get sharper. I think the first thing to do is "debunk" the debunker's and show the inherent fallacy, contradiction, hypocrisy, and falsification present in the mainstream media, starting with everyone's love child, FOX News.

I'm sorry. There is plenty of evidence of this on the internet. I am willing to step back and do research when told to...in a respectful way. I hope I can be met half way on that. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/648-fox-news-gets-busted.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/647-things-learned-progress.html Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:15:36 GMT * there is a difference between the actions/sentiments of a nations government and the actions/sentiments of a nations people. increasingly, i find that they are often not the same *omissions, additions, and alterations to the truth, no matter how slight, can create a world of difference in its... * there is a difference between the actions/sentiments of a nations government and the actions/sentiments of a nations people. increasingly, i find that they are often not the same

*omissions, additions, and alterations to the truth, no matter how slight, can create a world of difference in its perception

* be wary of trolls ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/647-things-learned-progress.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/645-couldnt-resist.html Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:30:51 GMT [B]P[/B] ublic

[B]O[/B] bedience to the

[B]L[/B] aw is

[B]I[/B] deal and will be

[B]C[/B] allously

[B]E[/B] nforced.

This is [I][B]not[/B][/I] to say that today's police are like this, but when I see groups of police squared off against groups of people protesting I rethink my opinion of who the police work for. Don't think I'm just picky for thinking so. In every dictatorship or something like that where the public is controlled and oppressed, a police presence is perhaps thee most necessary step toward the maintenance of such a society. I do not point out who the police are but the danger of who they might become. After all, I believe even police are taught to always be conscious of the point where they become more abusive to society rather than protective of it.

But it does make me think...how many police officers really know the law that well? They are charged with defending it but do they really don't know that much more about it then the common kinds of laws they deal with regularly? Sometimes they look like big bouncers to me rather than law professionals. They give me the impression of civil soldiers. Bottom workers not really privy to the politics above them, just enforcers of that policy...generally. There definitely are smart cops out there, but I mean on a general basis.

Aside from that, they seem to get away with some increasingly questionable things of late. And police have been used in this country to enforce decidedly unconstitutional things in the past. I hope I don't have to drag out proof for that either. What determines right and wrong- lawful and unlawful is a mix of what the "people of legitimate standing at the time" think (meaning those people whose voice is even considered in the political process) and what the government thinks. Regardless of the Constitution, if any one of those two former factors don't see it that way, it basically becomes a law without standing.

I think a lot of the injustices that cops [I]do[/I] happen perpetrate today gets swept under the rug because they tend to be connected with minorities. And we have most certainly been conditioned through all manner of things- most notably tv and movies- to believe that any legal activity in this area is warranted and imperative to order and safety. But it's like that poem by the anti-Nazi activist, Martin Niemueller; you can sit back and watch it being done to someone else and not care because it is not being done to you, hoping that they are an isolated incident and that such a thing will never occur with you. But in time, as power grows so does it's abuse. What was wrong becomes accepted. What is accepted becomes the norm. And when they start doing wrongs against you, you may find yourself crying out for a sentimental ear...only to be told that you deserved it. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/645-couldnt-resist.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/644-theres-reason-why-moms-cry.html Sat, 09 Jun 2012 03:34:56 GMT I wonder, sometimes, on the nature of a people who are so desensitized to war and it's consequences that it was allowed- as though a good thing- for people to see this grotesque show called "Shock and Awe". Labelled like a movie phenomenon, a must see, many flocked to their televisions...even me.

And the next day eyes lit up and many had warm and breathless accommodations for it. Young men clapped on a show of force and power. Others had nothing but praise for it's engineering. Technicians lauded upon it's unprecedented success.

It seemed no one saw this spectacle of "Shock and Awe" as "Shocking and Awful". No one likens this to Japan from WW2, when they were reeling on the defensive- no longer a viable threat to advancing American forces- but were bombed into "submission" not just once, but twice. Bombed over a civilian populace not once, but twice. And the people of Baghdad were bombed and made spectacles of before the entire world. But it wasn't the pain captured. It was false images of a grand, unanimous sentiment of welcome to American liberators. They did not show the thousands of women and children that flooded the hospitals- bodies torn from the fallout and the wreckage. It is not a known fact among Americans that for the entire first day after the bombing, it was mostly only woman and children who filled the hospitals.

Nor is it very well known that these were not the first bombings. During our "peacetime" between these two wars, the "No-Fly Zone" was an expressway for American bombers to continuously unload on this nation. By far, more civilians died from American armaments between these wars alone than those American's who died in the towers. Thousands upon thousands more would die from the starvation inflicted not by Saddam but by American forces and her allies and by American forces using depleted uranium shells- among other things- which led to horrible and gross deformities, both among the current population and continuously among future generations.

But wait...it's not just bleeding heart sentimentalists that have an alternate opinion of the war. There are actual bleeding soldiers out there who share the same opinion. Many of them, in fact. But they cannot freely express their views because many do not seem to know they are directly forbidden to talking to the media without consent under pains of Court Martial. Others simply don't want to jeopardize their standing or confuse themselves on a battlefield where indecision can get them killed. Many fans of war will look at these tapes of war both modern and historic and see a nation pushed by a grand ideal in achieving strategic victory by force for the greater good. I believe you would get a much different opinion on the ground. You will see kids who are being pushed to the front b tales of bravado, patriotism, and just the simple need to instill the philosophy of the arrow- straight ahead and do not waiver or you won't make it home to regret it.

There is a reason why mother's cry when their children are going to war. There is a reason rich children dodge the draft and why many other children attempt to do the same. Because there is a point when you are out there you realize these insane people are pushing you into a meat-grinder. People you never seen personally, people you never met, people who do not know your name. They flag all these virtues and rhetoric and here you are...fighting another people just as scared as you. Being pushed toward the front just like you in order to pursue the benefit of the men who control them. It is a principal highlighted in one of the oldest stories known to man, [I]the Illiad[/I]. Young men die for another's ambition, for his transgressions, for his benefit. Time and time and time again it is so common are fiction is doped with tales of the powerful having to convince, persuade, and lead men off to die and we see the trait as noble and virtuous. That a man can deliver a stirring speech that sends more people to die for another "just cause" is commemorated.

Is every war bad...no. But I wonder about it's justifications. The enemies actions are always meant to seem like some out-of-the-blue aggression. Some tyrannical, despotic behavior loathed by the judges of moral decency. In reality...when the smoke clears...we usually see the faults. That there aggression has a history, and in cases like the sinking of the Lusitania, the incident at the Gulf of Ton Kin, the attack on the ship that led to the Spanish American War, and others, that such an aggression never occurred in the first place. That it was engineered by our government to make us fight against good reason by manipulating us through tragedy, loss, and outrage. And by that time we are not inclined to care as much because the past is the past. The dangers over. Let's resume life as it was and forget. And the very same people are taken again- moved through almost the exact same steps- when the next war comes. Children are riled up. The propaganda flows like syrup from every major source of media. When the wounded return they will be silenced. Branded as traitors and expatriates if they express and alternate view. But many do not see that. They only see the images presented to them. The insane idea that our soldiers are happy, ready, and willing to march into a hail of bullets, mortars, and possible forms of weaponry that would turn your hairs white. Yeah, they love that stuff. We just need to cheer them on. That's all they want. A good audience. It's the shock and awe show.

No...It's just shocking, awful, and a repeat at that. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/644-theres-reason-why-moms-cry.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/643-evolving-history-evolving-knowledge.html Fri, 08 Jun 2012 20:53:49 GMT Being a fan of history I never really stop reading about it, even after school. I know that a school curriculum cannot fit all of history into the course and that some things must be made concise in order to be practical but as I continue to read up on it I've come to learn that my concept of history wasn't [I]evolving[/I], so to speak, but it was being [I]clarified[/I].

For instance, most people remember the Civil War as Lincoln's struggle against the Southern States who became disaffected with the North and- personally- Lincoln for abolishing slavery- a way of livelihood for the American South and a major economic enterprise for Britain (among other things like the massive opium trade into China). That whole chapter in history is made to appear just like that- taken out of context. The clearer version is that the civil war was started by British agents outside and British agents inside the United States in order to try to affect a breaking up of the country that defied the traditional form of rule. This was not the first of such attempts and it was not the last. They have tried everything from assassination to destabilizing the US currency through massive inflation- even destroying Lincoln's novel approach to the Greenbacks, which met with limited success until the British Banks- even more so endangered by this idea- flooded the nation with currency in order to kill the initiative with inflation. Lincoln is [I]documented[/I] as having spoken out against Britain's attempts to undermine the American government and assassination by them was a clear and present possibility.

But all this information is left out. Information that changes the view of the events both then, before, and after this conflict. Today, I could ask a number of people what the Civil War is about. And those I get to before they have a chance to quickly google it and pretend to have known all along will have said that it was about freeing the slaves. Not a lie, no, but a half-truth that seems, when you consider the craziness of omitting such a impactful point from the situation- a deliberate attempt to alter the view of history.

I certainly did not know of it and it is because of this that I believe you could have grown up an A student in your curriculum and still be short of the facts because in the end, you cannot experience history for yourself. You have no way of verifying anything. You can only trust in the information that is presented to you and...gosh...it might not all be given out to you as it should. Besides omission there may be alteration or even fabrication.

The same goes for any knowledge. You can never be sure unless you have directly witnessed, were directly involved in the matter. If not...you are simply well versed in disinformation and have become nothing more than someone else's echo. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/643-evolving-history-evolving-knowledge.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/641-history-repeating.html Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:23:04 GMT [CENTER]First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for me
and by then there was
no one left to speak for me.

- German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemueller

[I]There is only one light left in the world, one, and that is Empathy. When that light is gone all will be lost. Because from the lost of the ability to feel beyond our own needs and understanding we will have lost the ability to effectively communicate with one another. And the human collective no longer can be descried as a society of people but a people of survival from society.[/I][/CENTER] ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/641-history-repeating.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/639-hypocrisy.html Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:47:45 GMT You read, you hear, so you believe you know.

Hear + say...

You hear it...you repeat it. No process of discernment in between.

Why not challenge what you know? Question and requestion. Be willing to step back but don't be afraid to step forward.

Because of ridicule...scorn...

One who questions remains clear. That what is shown may not be what is there. That what is commonly accepted may not actually be. Instead of mimicry, employ individuality.

But I am being condescending now...because people believe different from me.

See how circles of thought...revolve around Hypocrisy. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/639-hypocrisy.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/638-you-wont-know-means-yet.html Wed, 06 Jun 2012 04:02:40 GMT What you must remember is that despite how magical a thing may seem, all things derive from structure. There is structure in all things. There will be a powerful temptation when confronted with the unknown to leap from understanding, through mysticism, to superstition. But keep your mind grounded... What you must remember is that despite how magical a thing may seem, all things derive from structure. There is structure in all things. There will be a powerful temptation when confronted with the unknown to leap from understanding, through mysticism, to superstition. But keep your mind grounded and your fear in check and remember that in all things there is structure. There is reason. And that beneath all impossibilities, vagueries, and such things which seem to defy logic, there is understanding. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/638-you-wont-know-means-yet.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/633-my-quotes.html Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:14:25 GMT * History is finding a bunch of facts, connecting them with conjecture, altering them with interpretation, enforcing them with education. * A good woman comes like a great day; unexpected, but forever appreciated * History is finding a bunch of facts, connecting them with conjecture, altering them with interpretation, enforcing them with education.

* A good woman comes like a great day; unexpected, but forever appreciated ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/633-my-quotes.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/632-compulsive-post-ignore.html Mon, 04 Jun 2012 18:00:30 GMT I have once and still do champion a life where I live the way I want to live, however I chose to live, since I believe I have the right to do so. I used to not care about politics or economics because I didn't care about liars and greedy creatures. I didn't want any part of it.

Maturing, I still hold these views of mines even more so than before. What has changed, however, is that I am now aware that in order to live a life as freely as I possibly can, I must watch those forces that exist and have been placed above me which have the power and ability to take my freedom away.

I must, in my freedom, become my own sentry against the incursion of the government, the incursion of the market, and any other force or scheme which seeks to undermine me. In essence, nothing has changed. It is still the law of the jungle...full of predators and devious traps. Except...I am no longer free. Life, now, is about finding the courage to really, actually, be free. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/632-compulsive-post-ignore.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/631-ask-criminal.html Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:19:08 GMT It never ceases to amaze me that in debunking a charge of wide-ranging illegal activity or malpractice of considerable consequences against government or private corporations, people who object to the idea will go to the media, to the sites, and to sources of information provided by those entities-... It never ceases to amaze me that in debunking a charge of wide-ranging illegal activity or malpractice of considerable consequences against government or private corporations, people who object to the idea will go to the media, to the sites, and to sources of information provided by those entities- or to sources who use that source of information as the basis of their argument- to defame the accusation.

This is like saying that the thief or criminal is innocent because he said he is innocent, and look, he wrote he was innocent just last week.

There is the plain statement of innocence, which is simply "I'm not guilty", and the artful deception which employs any number of evidences, proofs, witnesses, and personal testimony to account for it. Kind of like when a wife confronts a husband who she thinks is cheating and he, in fact, is. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/631-ask-criminal.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/630-jus-thinkin.html Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:10:10 GMT Some people like to argue over which is better, government or market rule. I make no appreciable distinction between either.

There are dangers in allowing either the government or the markets control over the supply of vital and/or demanded resource. The problem isn't necessarily with the process you chose but the people who run the process. Since you cannot govern the moral fiber of a person, any process you chose is susceptible to the moral integrity of the people who run it.

I really couldn't stress that enough. No matter what: capitalism, democracy, socialism, marxism, fascism, oligarchy, autocracy, mercantilism...it does not really matter. It is the people behind it. If the people are good, it dos not matter if you have a dictatorship. He does good and has the direct means to do good.

But the problem with dictatorship is the same problem with democracy and the same problem with every other form of government. One person cannot represent an entire population. Even being of a purely uniform blood and nationality there will be differences in thought and intention. One group cannot represent the entire population. Therefore no matter how man political groups and how many colors there are- Dem's, Pub's, Red, Blue, Green, Orange...one groups idea discards the ideas and wishes of all others. One group employs hegemony over all others. One group [B]dictates[/B] policy for all others. And only if any group really represents their citizen base.

But it is a proven fact that in all times and all governments, a general shifting occurs to where the groups meant to represent the people come to represent the different styles of leadership [I]among[/I] the ruling class. In a democracy, the citizen is no longer saying how he wants to be ruled, he is choosing between one groups ideology and another groups ideology and has to make a decision which will suit him best since.

To put this in a better light, where elected officials once ran for office by championing the thoughts of the people, they no longer ask for the peoples opinion. The people and the ruling class are now separate. The rulers argue among themselves how things should be done. They form different factions and it is these factions that the voter now chooses.

When you look deeper into the mechanics of democracy and add up the numbers, you realize the math isn't smooth and the logic isn't either. You come to that point that reminds you of being in history class learning about government- half the students raising their hands with confused looks on their face asking the teacher, "What is the difference between an Electoral College vote and the People's."

Democracy is a successful sham. The latest in the Ruler's Operating System to date. Give them enough freedom so that they believe they are free. [I][B]Give them the power to speak and, ironically, that will shut them up. [/B][/I] Because when you take everything that matters from them, the very small concessions you allow appear to be golden rights and inalienable liberties. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/630-jus-thinkin.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/629-police-paradox.html Mon, 04 Jun 2012 15:26:57 GMT When I see a policeman I do not see a lawyer, I see what appears to be an armed bouncer.

Of course, perception is not reality.

I wonder what is though. I am wondering just how many police officers are cognizant of the law? And there is a difference between [I]familiar[/I] with the law and [I] proficient[/I]. A lawyer is proficient with the law. He has to tak the BAR to prove this. A police officer doesn' strike me as someone who is proficient with the law. They strike me as people who know just enough of the law to allow them to push their ticket in to court or keep their bacon out of the fire when it comes to more law-conscious citizens.

Doesn't this present a problem? A paradox? We commonly believe the police to be defenders of the law. How can you defend the law when you are ignorant of it? That's because they are not there to enforce the law, they are there to maintain order. Whose order? The order of the people that sent them. When you see a bunch of citizens on one side squared off against a group of shielded and batoned police on the other side, you get the feeling police don't work in the public interest.

Why should you be concerned? Because the police represent what they have already represented throughout history. An express avenue through which surgical control of the public can be practiced. It is usually through them that a tyrannical regime is maintained. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/629-police-paradox.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/628-forgetting.html Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:22:49 GMT To forget the past of your country is to be divorced from it, not a descendant of your ancestors but a vagrant that has disowned them. When patriotism blinds prudence, ignores errors, and masks malice under scorn and exasperation, the nation can no longer be saved. Because at that point the... To forget the past of your country is to be divorced from it, not a descendant of your ancestors but a vagrant that has disowned them.

When patriotism blinds prudence, ignores errors, and masks malice under scorn and exasperation, the nation can no longer be saved. Because at that point the citizen believes his country is above criticism, above error, above blemish merely for the sake of being. A patriot believes that by questioning the country to the contrary, one has committed a sacrilege of a quasi-religious nature. The irony is that the patriot does not see the critic as a citizen, himself, but a criminal. He does not view his query as valid, but slander. To all counter argument he rails his colors and beats his chest- no longer a citizen of responsibility but a political fanatic.

There are many, many dark spots in our countries own past. There are many, many problems in our countries present. There are many problems in our democratic process and the standards of living spread out both within a specific and across the varying demographics of it's citizenry. There are many problems with many institutions inside the country. You will hear about them everyday. But while some pay heed, some do not. Instead they sing songs of older, better times that never were. When the nation was full, golden, and whole when such never existed. They close their eyes, stuff their ears, and sing into the night. All they can say is 'long live the state'.

Such men are like old men. That he is sick and feeble, weak and frail, his body failing, but he cares not. He will walk in the rain if he wants to...he is a Man. He will eat what he wants to...he is a Man. It doesn't hurt...he is a Man. I don't need no doctor...I am a Man. I don't need medicine...there's nothing wrong. I don't need exercise...I'm strong. Pumped on ego, he has no weakness and no faults.

He is, indeed, a Man...dying. Wasting away in his own ignorance. But to him, it is a virtue. Perhaps he sees himself as a warrior...who knows. But I do know that on the front line, among warriors, patriots disappear and realists are born. Rhetoric dies and is, indeed, scorned. Among them such things earn derision because men now fight for a superstition they bleed for. In such a time the only warriors around are survivors. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/628-forgetting.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/627-banks-devil.html Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:03:17 GMT No, really...banks are the devil. They operate on a classic Faustian theme: get something now that you have always wanted immediately; pay more than that thing was worth in the end.

I [I]think[/I] the basic theme behind the Faustian legend is the lack of moral constitution and a testament to peoples inclination to greed, impulse, and impatience. Most willingly enter a contract they know on every instinctual and conscious level puts them at a disadvantage all for an immediate pleasure.

The bank excels at this. Why wait to have that ubber-expensive thing? Get it now. Now. NOW. Just pay me interest later. It seems mutually beneficial with a little blood-letting on your part but the ease of credit makes it easier for you to loan and loan again. You may have loaned for your computer. Then your car. Then your house. Then that boat. The more money you make doesn't seem to improve your sense of patience either. A rational person might say, "Since I make more, I can wait and save and have what I want without paying interest." Instead, a person is likely to say "Since I pay more, I can apply for more loans because I am more likely to pay them off."

Loans at interest are not demonic in itself. They can be useful, definitely, but it is excessive spending that can make lenders become predatory. When there is a huge market there is an enormous impulse to reap when the yield is high.

Patience...prudence...resourcefulness...thriftiness...[I]discipline[/I]. These are the enemies of a [I]reckless, expanding economy[/I] but the virtues of a [I]stable[/I] one. An expanding economy should be done on sound basis. It should rise from an authentic need or demand which is addressed with it's relative serviced. It should also arise not on a sudden infusion of massive credit. It is like building an economy with hollow bricks...it's own weight will bring it crashing down.

I doubt we can spend our way out and I doubt we can get out without a large sacrifice from the people. I [I]know[/I], it is a crime that the people have to pay for debts they did not incur. It is a ridiculous crime and I feel that cleaning up someone else's mess does not teach them the lesson they need to learn. But either they clean up their own mess or we clean it up and then clean them up in the process. I think if we are going to take the burden for all these things we get to take a stronger responsibility in our nations government and business policies.

I...just don't have any clue HOW. The people at large cannot make these decisions in a practical way. And the problem with politics is that it is like a fire-and-forget missile. Once you elect someone you don't really have that much control over them until the next election unless they can be proven to do something illegal. Aside from that, one hardly knows the true moral character of the people they are voting for. How can you? You only know what you see and hear and both talk a good game..both slander each other...in the end, it basically comes down to a gut feeling, party allegiance, or...worst of all...hope- a form of spiritual/mental gambling for the powerless.

Banks obviously need to be reigned in but they are such a clear incentive to those who profit from them. Thus, just as one had to remove church from state, we have to find a way to remove the profit incentive from politics. Somehow empower these people while making them incorruptible. One way might be to keep them at our level and in constant contact, repour, and interaction with the people in terms of what they are doing and why they are doing it. Transparency should not have to be asked for and it is certainly not a privilege bestowed by those in power in a real democracy. It is inherent. Yes, there are things that need to be concealed...but let's not piggyback off the plausible. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/627-banks-devil.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/625-mr-g-o-d-trial.html Sun, 03 Jun 2012 10:31:37 GMT [B][U]Session One[/U][/B]

Q: Are you all knowing, all seeing, all powerful?

A: Yes.

Q: Then how is it you were not able to prevent Adam and Eve from eating the apple from the Tree of Knowledge?

A: No comment.


[B][U]Session Two[/U][/B]

Q: What did you have in mind when you created human beings?

A: I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking.

Q: What was the [I]purpose[/I] of creating a man and a woman?

A: That's rather personal.

Q: OK. And the fact that they were nude and-

A: THAT'S RATHER PERSONAL!!!

Q: OK. Well we noticed that you seemed rather unhappy when they put clothes on, and-"

A: YOUR HONOR!!!

Judge: Sir, do not provoke God.

Q: OK. What we meant to say is we noticed that you seemed particularly unhappy with your creation? Being God, I can't imagine ou would have been infallible enough to have made a mistake so...what happened?

A: What do you mean?

Q: Well take the Ten Commandments. You epitomize the perfect person in our eyes don't you?

A: Yes.

Q: Why did you make human beings capable of evil if you did not want them to do evil?

A: I gave them free will.

Q: Yes, but how can you give them free will and give them laws to live by? Is that not a contradiction?

A: What is a contradiction?

[B][U]Session Three[/U][/B]

Q: How many fingers am I holding up?

A: Four.

Q: Amazing.

A: Thank You.

Q: How many fingers am I going to hold up?

A: Seven.

Q: Astounding!

A: I'm the man.

Q: You [I]are[/I] Man, aren't you? However, I was wondering...How far into the future can you see? In years?

A: Farther than you can count.

Q: I see. So you knew ahead of time all of the bad things that was going to happen to everyone? Not only that, you knew that by creating human beings you were going to do all the things that you did? You knew what they would do to your son and you sent him anyway? You knew what they would do to you and to each other? It's like a scientist who knows he's going to fail if he makes this model making it anyway and then cursing it. Why would you do that?

A: Have faith.

Q: Excuse me?

A: Have faith.

Q: What...how dos that answer the question?

A: Believe in me?

Q: Wha...wait a minute. H...hey. You're a man. How long have you been doing this?

A: About as long as I been doin' yo mom.

Q: What did you say?

A: You heard me chump. I broke her water like the Red- arggghhaaaaa!!!

Judge: ORDER! ORDER! Bailiff, get these men ut of my court, NOW. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/625-mr-g-o-d-trial.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/623-farms-and-farmers.html Fri, 01 Jun 2012 23:36:25 GMT If I looked at a map of the world according to national boundaries, what would I see? I would see the world divided into farms- the farms divided according to crops. How ancient this swift idea...that a human could farm another human- profiting from the excess of his labor. The pyramid... If I looked at a map of the world according to national boundaries, what would I see? I would see the world divided into farms- the farms divided according to crops.

How ancient this swift idea...that a human could farm another human- profiting from the excess of his labor.

The pyramid scheme is, in fact, older than the pyramids themselves. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/623-farms-and-farmers.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/619-religion-vs-spirituality.html Thu, 31 May 2012 19:50:14 GMT note: this is my opinion stated as opinion and is in no way meant to offend those steady in their own beliefs. there is no offensive language or targeting listed, only contrasts between thoughts. i respect all and any directed at me in kind. At the heart of it any persons beliefs which they... note: this is my opinion stated as opinion and is in no way meant to offend those steady in their own beliefs. there is no offensive language or targeting listed, only contrasts between thoughts. i respect all and any directed at me in kind.

At the heart of it any persons beliefs which they follow is a religion. If you believe in science than science is your religion. If you believe in money than money is your religion. But whaterver beliefs you have, they are your beliefs.

The strange thing about the religions of today is that many people are following someone else's beliefs. Millions. Religion is the codified version of what to believe and what you should do. Is it no wonder than a child that has not been taught of Jesus or God would not know of them from birth till death. And if he did com up with the concept than it would likely differ from your own because they are not derived from a single source but his/her own experiences.

I believe the former is a personal religion. It is spirituality. It is about assessing your own beliefs through your own experiences and interpretations. It is like wisdom. True wisdom does not learn and believe he has learned it all. Nor does he believe that his knowledge or his interpretation of that knowledge is unimpeachable. He is always taking in his changing environment, his knowledge always changing with it- changing where he was previously wrong and enforced where he remains right. Religion is a static belief that allows little evolution from it's core principles. Indeed it cannot be a religion if it is changed because it was the other persons beliefs. You cannot alter someone else's beliefs and still call it their beliefs and their words.

Consider Jesus as a well known example. Jesus teaches and the people follow. They come to him to learn how to think and how to act. That is weird in and of itself, but not necessarily bad. Now Jesus dies. His thinkings are left behind. All of us know that life is about growing up, experiencing, and trying to evolve and mature for the better through those beliefs. Our former ideals come to terms with reality and things we previously saw as right we may come to understand as wrong. How then can you follow the ideas of a person who died over 2000 years ago. (varying for whatever religion you follow). The problem that has infected religion is inherent in it's flaw. That the belief is studiously followed when the teacher has long gone. This leaves the knowledge ,yes, but like the Law and the Constitution it leaves the interpretation for others to shape. Many people claim that the Koran teaches to kill but so does the Christian Bible. God instructed David to kill in his name the non-believer. Destroy them, in fact. And Christians have followed suit for quite a while. Religion is not wisdom but often rigid, unchanging knowledge whose text is left open to interpretation and manipulation outside of the direct consent of the original source. It often becomes an illegal alteration. That is the danger of religion. Over time, like everything else, it is changed, altered, distorted, and/or corrupted, but most certainly not the same teaching as it was.

That is why I believe that if you believe in God, that is fine. That is great because most people who accomplish things believe in something beyond themselves. Belief can not be a criminal thing. But your belief should be your own. You need no sign, no book, no code, or no center of worship outside of your mind and your heart. Your religion is your personal relationship- unavoidably unique from another's because each person is unique. That doesn't mean every individual for themselves. That means every individual who has an individual perspective that brings their individual talents and ideas to the group so the benefits are shared. NO, that is not socialism. No more than Jesus taking a piece of fish and feeding an entire crowd with it. It is selflessness. That is how our civilization should operate minus the desire to profit from that contribution. Everyone did not invent the nuclear reactor but we all profit from it. The DANGER is when we allow all thought to flow from one source or be controlled by one source. To have one man or one group or unit direct it- whoever there are. You cannot teach morals...you are not morally perfect. You cannot preach morals if your are not morally perfect. We can only live, learn, and mature. We learn from everyone and everything, not one thing, one person, or a few either.

And I believe that it is that which is the best way to think. For yourself, but forever open to interpretation and change. Not bound in a system or code of belief but flexible. Amiable. Because a group unto itself implies isolation regardless of tolerance. And isolation is distance which creates suspicion and friendly but guarded conditions which leads to unfriendly intrusions, prejudices, and offenses which leads to violence which lead to...well...today. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/619-religion-vs-spirituality.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/618-planned-parenthood.html Thu, 31 May 2012 19:48:35 GMT For some reason, Planned Parenthood sounds like a chillingly sweet version of saying Government-directed control of public birth.

But I ma be wrong. I'll look deeper when I have the chance. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/618-planned-parenthood.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/617-ring-power.html Thu, 31 May 2012 17:22:30 GMT Had another idea, lol All nations are basically factories. And all social structures- from the smallest group of friends to the nations and super national alliances are circles. Millions of circles that link to others. And the one circle that links to those circles that controls all other... Had another idea, lol

All nations are basically factories. And all social structures- from the smallest group of friends to the nations and super national alliances are circles. Millions of circles that link to others. And the one circle that links to those circles that controls all other circles controls us all. The ring of power. Monopoly...Risk...It's hardly a conspiracy. It's a historical game long played, always refined, and ongoing. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/617-ring-power.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/616-brief-argument-against-spending.html Thu, 31 May 2012 17:08:37 GMT This is a brief argument against more government spending. The government is in debt. This is fairly well-known. If you are in debt, not only do you not really have money, you owe money. If you happen to have cash or credit on hand, then that money is not really yours but is supposed t be... This is a brief argument against more government spending.

The government is in debt. This is fairly well-known. If you are in debt, not only do you not really have money, you owe money. If you happen to have cash or credit on hand, then that money is not really yours but is supposed t be turned over to your debtor.

How does a person who has no money spend even more money? He either earns more or he borrows more. When you borrow more money that you are acquiring, you only increase the debt. When he government talks about more spending to improve the economy, they are saying they need to borrow more money and increase the debt in order to bring itself out of debt. Now mind you, this is not the American [I]peoples[/I] debt, but debts made from government functions and government actions like bailouts of other privately owned entities. This is like every American citizen being forced to pay Bob's enormous drinking tab. This certainly does not make Bob want to quit drinking...unless it came with a thorough cheek-kicking.

But aside from that, it's only money. No need to worry too much right. It's only the government that is affected and it will be us that's affected by the debt also but we can power through it if we buckle down, right? This is where it gets a little technical. Because government debt needs collateral just like anything else. Usually last resort of liquidation to balance the books. What finer thing to do that than the American population. What...you didn't now you were the greatest resource and product a nation has. Consider that no other product or resource, no business or industry cannot function without you or be flipped for cash without you. You are a naturally regenerating, consistently producing resource of nature. By pledging you, they pledge a community of labor and, basically, a huge market resevoir to hawk products upon, as well as other things I'm sure I haven't thought of.

Put it this way...in the absence of actual cash to turn over to the debtor, the government hands over it's people. That means you are not being affected by proximity to or under the failed government and economy, you are being directly affected. It's like stuffing that huge hole in the bottom of the ship with you and everyone around you. America, thus, becomes indentured servants forever working off a debt they never had a hand in producing in the first place. At the top, the people may get to keep their jobs so long as they continue to ensure that money and whatever else the debtor commands is being produced. Of course, when the national debt is so high and interest is outrageous, why would you ever allow a country to get out of debt? By always having to pay interest they are not only perpetually paying you top dollar, but they will be forever doing that. Forever beholden to you, forever under control.

So remember that, [B]in my opinion[/B], when you are advocating for greater spending, you are basically digging yourself down poop-canyon. And the walls are fairly slick. Now, spending money to make money is now new term, but it is a huge gamble. One where every citizen is put on the table against their will. Cause that's what this is...a poker game. And someone's probably cheating. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/616-brief-argument-against-spending.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/615-hmmm.html Wed, 30 May 2012 06:16:54 GMT Didn't I post something about not posting something if I didn't have the information to back it up?

Well, live and learn. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/615-hmmm.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/614-shouldnt-surprise-me.html Tue, 29 May 2012 21:35:48 GMT When I think on it, why am I shocked?

Zionists conquer nations through a refined, modern method, they commit atrocities against humanity, and they don't really care what you think on the matter. This shouldn't be shocking, this is history. This is human nature. A story that has repeated itself again and again. The victims and the empathetic rally to the cause of peace and harmony while the power-hoarders and the wealth-hoarders rattle and bash the drums of war...and whatever other methods to at the command.

When I think about it, I'm sort of caught in the middle. Were these not a people who have been tossed around from one nation to the next for millenia? Endlessly the subjects of abuse and tyranny? Always the scapegoat? Or was that all propaganda also? If the former is true then it is only cosmic, karmic justice that the meek actually have inherited the earth. Only, they employ the same ruthless methods that were likely used against them, [I]if[/I] they were used against them. World plight and world discrimination towards them have made them probably the most tightly knit racial community ever. They truly work together to accomplish their objectives, dark or light.

But in the end, whether they are good or evil, I ask myself why should I really care and really involve myself? They are only doing what other cultures and civilizations have done to others throughout history. Now that the former imperialists find themselves under the sword of a new power, I wonder if they begin to understand what effect they had on other people and other cultures. If they understand that once these kinds of things have been committed against you and your ancestors, they can never be forgotten. it is not as easy as a simple reconciliation- a brush under the carpet. Your dark deeds will come back to haunt you.

I wonder if this is not the strongest example of karmic retribution ever? However wrong they are in doing this...how right were we to do it to other people? ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/614-shouldnt-surprise-me.html http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/613-state-staggering-injustice.html Tue, 29 May 2012 09:37:46 GMT There is a sort of silence you hear when you address an issue of this caliber. Some people do speak, but it is more [I]around[/I] the subject than the subject itself. You begin to recognize the barriers that people have placed over themselves to this information. I have usually seen two. Disagreement and Disinterest.

But by every God one could think of how can you not address this horrible, horrible thing? Israel is a nation that receives enormous backing from the United States. One it sides with indisputably. And while you have been made to believe, over decades, that this was the home of a deeply hurt and healing people just trying to survive, they have been impostors to the moral charade the project. Charlatans. Thieves. But things like this exist in many other places. Stuff like this is happening all over the world. What makes Israel such a sore point for me? Because the US is backing it all the way with the approval of it's people. And this approval comes even in the face of these unthinkably brutalities; acts against humanity, democracy, or even the common decency afforded to animals. It is important to me because I believe it shows not only the true character of Israel, but the true character of our own nation who willingly sides with them. If your father was best friends with a murderer and a rapist that he knew was a murderer and a rapist; that he helped hide his doings and backed him against his enemies, would you not become concerned...afraid...at the very least judging of his character? Or am I over-thinking this? What does it show of the character of our leadership?

Learning of the abuses and the horrors of Israel to it's own citizens ever since the beginning of the formation of this demonic state which thrives off the sacrifice of innocents has made me afraid for us. It is not a pact with evil Jews because Jews are not the enemy. It is the ideology that leads them. This sickness I believe no different from the sickness that pushed Nazi's into the corners of Europe. I believe, deep down, that this entity moves heel-to-toe with our nations foreign policy in the region. I believe we are mirroring each other, partners with each other, and God help me, the leaders of America may even see a role-model in them. Mark me, you already see them [I]eating[/I] your constitution right in front of you. But there is disagreement and disinterest when I bring this up. At the moment, I would like to know what I can do but deeper still I believe it is too late. I believe this nation is already fallen Because of people like Rachel Corrie, the girl who died in Israel by being run over by a bulldozer.

Unbelievably, when she was brought up in the forums, people ctually criticized [I]her[/I]. She died defending the home of a neighborhood doctor from routine Israeli demolitions of Palestinian houses and people criticized her, mocked her, blamed her for her own death. Some said, mind-blowingly, that the bulldozers had a blindspot and they could not see a person standing in front of the house in protest. A blidnspot on a freakin bulldozer in [I]front [/I] of the bulldozer. You know...where the bulldozing generally occurs.

After learning about this I realized that yes, there definitely are demons in this world. Demons of utter venom in regards to life, peace, morality, decency, caring, compassion, or any of that. It is not a physical thing it is a miasma of sick ideas powered by some unintelligible mixture of thoughts and wicked impulses that allows people to execute these things upon other people. Or maybe it's just a coldly calculated logic. An obvious truth.

I just felt like venting. These are my opinions, though. I believe there is ample proof of the current situation, but as for the projected thoughts as to what I can conclude from them, I only fear the worst. For them..and for us. People may call these conspiracies because you point everywhere and see a problem but what if it's because wherever you are pointing there are problems. Problems all around you. In the end, I'm humbled. I can do nothing either...but talk and write about it. How can ordinary people really change these things? I feel powerless. ]]> makmugens http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/makmugens/613-state-staggering-injustice.html