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Media Matters busted again... Uses deception to falsely attack Fox on Sherrod story

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let me ask you a question...did YOU actually WATCH the Breitbart posted video? I did. and at 8:23 that morning we began having a discussion on the video and there were indeed two camps...several thought it was racist (but lets be honest...most of them were just looking for a rope to hang her with-pun intended...they already had an axe to grind), but many including conservative types thought it wasnt just NOT racist but it was a great message. Point of fact, there is much more 'racially motivated comments in the video than what Breitbart. The video Brietbart showed did NOT justify her firing. Who made this thing a complete cluster****? the NAACP and the White House.

Go back...look at the thread. hell WE got it right at 8:23 AM...based on THAT video. The white House FIRED HER at 4:30...based on THAT VIDEO.

This whiole thing has been a bull**** witch hunt. Thats what happens when the NAACP and Obama started their race hatred political bull****. They pulled it on Clinton. They have pulled it any time anyone has dared to oppose The One.

Go look at the facts.

you're making a good argument that I'm right concerning Fox, but your Obama race hate makes little sense.
 
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I'd like to try as best I can to address why I believe the audience responded that way.

You have to look at two aspects here:

1. the make-up of the audience.

2. the history of racial injustice, unequality and brutality inflected upon African-Americans during a long period leading up to the time inwhich the incident Mrs. Sherrod spoke of took place.

Most of the NAACP audience (naturally) were African-Americans, but they were older African-Americans, people who saw and/or experienced the cruelty of racism first hand. To them, hearing that one of their own who wielding such power over a White man who was in the same boat as other Black farmers of the time, struggling just as they were, was viewed as vindication. To them, it was like "Finally, the White man knows what we're going through. Finally, the White man gets a dose of his own medicine. Finally, the White man feels the injustice WE have suffered for generations." To those older African-Americans in attendence, hearing Mrs. Sherrod admit that she didn't put forth her best efforts to help a White farmer who was struggling just a hard as a Black farmer to keep his land but was being denied the assistance he rightfully deserved under the law was justice in their eyes, justice that had been a long time coming.

You have to see things as they saw them from their generational perspective. Put another way, it's like how many African-American's felt when Medger Ever's killer was finally found guilty of murder some 40+ years later. Finally, justice was served.

Now, I'm not saying that the audience's actions were right. But I am saying that as a Black man who HAS experienced racism before and who has studied African-American history and reviewed some of the injustices that have taken place against my people, I can certainly understand their reaction. Inappropriate as it may have been, I can understand it. I'm sure that if a generation of Whites had experienced the same type of racial injustice, unequality and cruelties, many of them likely would have responded the same way. As for myself, I watched the video but did not respond in the same way as those in attendence as I listened to what Mrs. Sherrod's speech. My approach was far more laid back. Perhaps because the scares of racism don't run as deep for me as they apparently did for some who were there...and likely still do to this day. Still, I can't say I blame those who applauded for their reaction. When you've been hurt and mistreated so bad for so long and you hear perhaps for the first time that someone you identify as "the enemy" and you know those of his kind were receiving better treatment than yourself and both of you were in the exact same situation, I don't think anyone can blame them for their reaction.

You have to understand the white Klansmans perspective...see...he was brought up in a democrat household in the 40's and 50's where they believed blacks were second class citizens, didnt deserve the same rights, and here that damn Lincoln went and made them free and now they want their jobs AND are willing to work harder for less...plus those old wounds of the civil war...thats a lot like Indians living on a reservation as conquered people...so...

OK...point being...its not I dont UNDERSTAND...its that I dont excuse nor justify and when you are prancing around in a crystal castle you shouldnt oughta be tossing bowling balls at the neighbors. the NAACP was using campaign rhetoric and calling the Tea Party a bunch of racists. Breitbart exposed their own racist tendencies. And thats pretty much the end of the story really.
 
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you're making a good argument that I'm right concerning Fox, but your Obama race hate makes little sense.

1, I didnt mention Fox...nor do i CARE about Fox. What I have said all along is that people are overreacting about the video Breitbart posted. Sherrod wasnt racist...but the actions of the NAACP sure were.

2, And you think its over the top for me to be disgusted by The Ones continued flaming of race hatred for political gains? Huh...go figure. Guess you are a David Duke, Storm front fan too huh?
 
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you're making a good argument that I'm right concerning Fox, but your Obama race hate makes little sense.

And BTW...way to avoid the question. DID you watch the video? Did YOU think it showed Sherrod as a racist?
 
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Vance,

Let's be honest. Had the video Breitbart posted on his website and FoxNews aired nationally wasn't limited to just that brief segment which gave the appearance of an African-American who also happened to be a government official appointed by the Obama Administration speaking before an NAACP audience making racist comments, would we be having this discussion today? Would there every have been a thread 33 pages long (and counting) covering this matter?

The fact that FoxNews picked up this story and ran with, thereby being the FIRST national news agency to air the video and did so WITHOUT properly verifying its accuracy, is the reason all of this began. Without the editted version of the video, no one at either the Agriculture Department or the White House would have "jumped the gun" and fired her. It's really just that simple. Yes, the AgDept and the White House were just as culpable for doing exactly what FoxNews did - over-reacting without verifying the accuracy of the story - but I blame FoxNews because they were the first to air the story nationally.

There has to be an action before anyone can react to it. In this case, the action was FoxNews airing the edited video. The reaction was Mrs. Sherrod being fired for her action that was taken completely out of context. The reaction was she was wrongfully labeled as a racist and the NAACP as an organization that supports racism. You can argue the timeline or the limit towhich FoxNews should be held editorial liability for their actions, i.e., do they apologize for misleading the public concerning this story or do they apologize for same plus the fact that Mrs. Sherrod was fired in advance of the video being released, clearly is debatable. But what isn't debatable is FoxNews drew first blood on this story from a national media perspective. Had they taken the time to verify the accuracy of the story as their VP of media relations (or whatever his title is) suggested, none of the ensuing fallout would ever have occured. Instead, the entire ordeal would have been short-lived and remained in the bloggosphere and never gained national traction.

All the other issues aside, FoxNews was more liable, IMO, than anyone else because the news is what most people take as truth. And what FoxNews reported as far as that edited video is concerned was NOT the truth. It was a lie, a mischaracterization of the person that is Mrs. Sherrod according to her former boss at the AgDept and the overall message she was presenting before the NAACP, which was racial tolerance and unity.

It's just that simple.
 
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And BTW...way to avoid the question. DID you watch the video? Did YOU think it showed Sherrod as a racist?

I watched the entire video. Yes. I did not go specifically to Breitbart. Now you tell me, why did Breitbart post the video?


As for Fox, they are part of this discussion, and Obama is not fanning the flames. In fact, his actions can be seen as an overreaction not to fan the flames. There is room for criticism of all parties, but not that criticism.
 
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You have to understand the white Klansmans perspective...see...he was brought up in a democrat household in the 40's and 50's where they believed blacks were second class citizens, didnt deserve the same rights, and here that damn Lincoln went and made them free and now they want their jobs AND are willing to work harder for less...plus those old wounds of the civil war...thats a lot like Indians living on a reservation as conquered people...so...

OK...point being...its not I dont UNDERSTAND...its that I dont excuse nor justify and when you are prancing around in a crystal castle you shouldnt oughta be tossing bowling balls at the neighbors. the NAACP was using campaign rhetoric and calling the Tea Party a bunch of racists. Breitbart exposed their own racist tendencies. And thats pretty much the end of the story really.

You still have it wrong! I urge you to watch the video again. Mrs. Sherrod wasn't speaking of racial divisiveness. She spoke of racial unity and how that one experience in her life changed her perspective on race relations. That's the issue I was trying to get you and others to understand with my post above.

Yes, in the beginning portion of the actually video that showed her entire speech, Mrs. Sherrod did provide lots of historical content on the racial injustices leveled against Blacks from the early days of slavery clear up to the early- to mid-80's, but her overall message wasn't in support of racism. So, if you came away with that message I'd dare say you weren't paying attention. Furthermore, this isn't about how one hate group was exposed and then later their actions were justified. Quite the opposite where Mrs. Sherrod was concerned. Hers was a story of how she was racially bias but learned how her biasness was hindering her professionalism, how she was excluding a fellow human being from getting the exact same fair treatment she claimed was being denied to those she readily supported!

Until we start seeing beyond the color line, we can never truly move forward as a Nation of One.
 
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I watched the entire video. Yes. I did not go specifically to Breitbart. Now you tell me, why did Breitbart post the video?


As for Fox, they are part of this discussion, and Obama is not fanning the flames. In fact, his actions can be seen as an overreaction not to fan the flames. There is room for criticism of all parties, but not that criticism.

DID YOU THINK THE VIDEO showed her to be a racist?

Breitbart's position was that in response to the NAACP calling Tea Party members racist (even though we have read mary Fraces Berrys statement that they arent...it just keeps people from talking about the issues) he posted a video showing their members behaving in a MOST racist manner. And they did. THAT was the only part of the video that showed racists...the audience reaction. Not Ms Sherrods commentary...not in that clip. And you know it. We discussed it. Unfortunately the NAACP and White House didnt bother...they just immediately pressured her to resign.
 
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You still have it wrong! I urge you to watch the video again. Mrs. Sherrod wasn't speaking of racial divisiveness. She spoke of racial unity and how that one experience in her life changed her perspective on race relations. That's the issue I was trying to get you and others to understand with my post above.

Yes, in the beginning portion of the actually video that showed her entire speech, Mrs. Sherrod did provide lots of historical content on the racial injustices leveled against Blacks from the early days of slavery clear up to the early- to mid-80's, but her overall message wasn't in support of racism. So, if you came away with that message I'd dare say you weren't paying attention. Furthermore, this isn't about how one hate group was exposed and then later their actions were justified. Quite the opposite where Mrs. Sherrod was concerned. Hers was a story of how she was racially bias but learned how her biasness was hindering her professionalism, how she was excluding a fellow human being from getting the exact same fair treatment she claimed was being denied to those she readily supported!

Until we start seeing beyond the color line, we can never truly move forward as a Nation of One.

dood...you cant possibly tell me anything about that video i dont already know. I was 'that guy' that at 8:23 that morning stated Ms Sherrod was far from represented as a racist but was in fact heroic for putting herself out there like that. She used her own painful growing experience to teach others. Unfortunately the audience didnt KNOW ms Sherrods 'aha' moment and they were right there clapping in agreement to her behaviors.
 
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You still have it wrong! I urge you to watch the video again. Mrs. Sherrod wasn't speaking of racial divisiveness. She spoke of racial unity and how that one experience in her life changed her perspective on race relations. That's the issue I was trying to get you and others to understand with my post above.

Yes, in the beginning portion of the actually video that showed her entire speech, Mrs. Sherrod did provide lots of historical content on the racial injustices leveled against Blacks from the early days of slavery clear up to the early- to mid-80's, but her overall message wasn't in support of racism. So, if you came away with that message I'd dare say you weren't paying attention. Furthermore, this isn't about how one hate group was exposed and then later their actions were justified. Quite the opposite where Mrs. Sherrod was concerned. Hers was a story of how she was racially bias but learned how her biasness was hindering her professionalism, how she was excluding a fellow human being from getting the exact same fair treatment she claimed was being denied to those she readily supported!

Until we start seeing beyond the color line, we can never truly move forward as a Nation of One.

And BTW...until The One stops calling everyone that disagrees with him racist we will never move forward. Or did you miss him throwing Bill Clinton, Americas first 'black president' under the bus for daring to suggest his wife had more experience and better qualifications to be president?
 
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I watched the entire video. Yes. I did not go specifically to Breitbart. Now you tell me, why did Breitbart post the video?


As for Fox, they are part of this discussion, and Obama is not fanning the flames. In fact, his actions can be seen as an overreaction not to fan the flames. There is room for criticism of all parties, but not that criticism.

Like I said doood...you are so trite its not even interesting anymore. You have one little string and your comically metallic voice plays back the same party line bull**** every time its pulled. Nah...bammy NEVER plays that race card...:lamo
 
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Like I said doood...you are so trite its not even interesting anymore. You have one little string and your comically metallic voice plays back the same party line bull**** every time its pulled. Nah...bammy NEVER plays that race card...:lamo

So, you don't want to answer why it was posted by Breitbart? OK.

And no, I don't see Obama using the race card here at all. perhaps you could demonstrate where and how?
 
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So, you don't want to answer why it was posted by Breitbart? OK.

And no, I don't see Obama using the race card here at all. perhaps you could demonstrate where and how?

You dont even bother to read do you...its just trudge forward in blind obedience..."

"Breitbart's position was that in response to the NAACP calling Tea Party members racist (even though we have read mary Fraces Berrys statement that they arent...it just keeps people from talking about the issues) he posted a video showing their members behaving in a MOST racist manner. And they did. THAT was the only part of the video that showed racists...the audience reaction. Not Ms Sherrods commentary...not in that clip. And you know it. We discussed it. Unfortunately the NAACP and White House didnt bother...they just immediately pressured her to resign.

and no...of COURSE you wouldnt...

pathetic.

done
 
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dood...you cant possibly tell me anything about that video i dont already know. I was 'that guy' that at 8:23 that morning stated Ms Sherrod was far from represented as a racist but was in fact heroic for putting herself out there like that. She used her own painful growing experience to teach others. Unfortunately the audience didnt KNOW ms Sherrods 'aha' moment and they were right thesre clapping in agreement to her behaviors.
Do you realize that just prior Sherrod spoke of her father being murdered by white men and despite the fact there were three witnesse nobody was punished for the crime?
 
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Vance,

I agree that Breitbart's edited video was a "gotcha moment" against the NAACP, but can you understand why the audience reacted that way? I honestly don't believe that the NAACP members in attendance are racist. It was the culmination of their life experiences in dealing with racism, years of being victimized that brought about their reaction. Was there some deep seeded resentiment and a moment of vindication there? Sure, absolutely! But when it was all said and done the audience was moved by her message of unity far more than they were cheering for one white man's downfall at the hands of a Black woman who weilded her power over him.

Let me ask you this: What was the audience's reaction at the end of Mrs. Sherrod's speech? What do you believe their attitudes were at that moment?
 
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You dont even bother to read do you...its just trudge forward in blind obedience..."

"Breitbart's position was that in response to the NAACP calling Tea Party members racist (even though we have read mary Fraces Berrys statement that they arent...it just keeps people from talking about the issues) he posted a video showing their members behaving in a MOST racist manner. And they did. THAT was the only part of the video that showed racists...the audience reaction. Not Ms Sherrods commentary...not in that clip. And you know it. We discussed it. Unfortunately the NAACP and White House didnt bother...they just immediately pressured her to resign.

and no...of COURSE you wouldnt...

pathetic.

done

Yes, I read, but note the in response. If it is in response, what is it saying? And no, it wasn't showing the audience anything.

And I get you have a thing concerning Obama. I get that. But it is just nonsense to suggest he was being racist in this event.

I also get you want to make excuses for people who put out a certain POV. That's not that unusal. But misrepresenting something, an all too common occurance today, is not worthy of defending. Breitbart could have made a coherent argument without trying to play video deception. Fox could have reported in in context. As could all news agencies. And the WH and NAACP could have watched the entire clip and used some brain cells.
 
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