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Originally Posted by Boo Radley

Not how it works. How it works is we overthrow the government the next election cycle. We do not, and for good reason, vote on each issue. We elect representatives. They act in our interest. If they don't, we elect new representatives. Remember that whole not governing by polls argument republicans used to have?

Yep, and that is what is going to happen in November as more and more people come to realize that what you and your ilk did costs too much, doesn't improve the quality of healthcare, and puts further pressure on the ER's due to the lack of doctors.

More and more people realize that healthcare is a personal responsibility not the taxpayer responsibility and that the role of the govt. isn't to provide cradle to grave coverage.

Originally Posted by Conservative

Yep, and that is what is going to happen in November as more and more people come to realize that what you and your ilk did costs too much, doesn't improve the quality of healthcare, and puts further pressure on the ER's due to the lack of doctors.

More and more people realize that healthcare is a personal responsibility not the taxpayer responsibility and that the role of the govt. isn't to provide cradle to grave coverage.

And if it does, that's how it is suppose to work. I may disagree with the out come, but not the process.

And frankly, your ilk has cost us a lot over the years, unless you think two wars don't cost anything.

As for personal responsibility, who is responsible for using the er? For being uninsured? And who is paying today for those "responsible" people? Care to buy bandaids from me for $16.04?

Originally Posted by Conservative

Yep, and that is what is going to happen in November as more and more people come to realize that what you and your ilk did costs too much, doesn't improve the quality of healthcare, and puts further pressure on the ER's due to the lack of doctors.

Um, how will insuring more people put more pressure on ERs?

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

And if it does, that's how it is suppose to work. I may disagree with the out come, but not the process.

And frankly, your ilk has cost us a lot over the years, unless you think two wars don't cost anything.

As for personal responsibility, who is responsible for using the er? For being uninsured? And who is paying today for those "responsible" people? Care to buy bandaids from me for $16.04?

No one said that the two wars didn't cost anything but they have cost less than that one attack on 9/11. It is the role of the Federal govt. to protect this country not provide cradle to grave coverage.

Not sure where you went to school but if you believe it is the role of the govt. to provide healthcare for all then that school is badly broken.

As for bandaids. I prefer to buy my own not force you to buy them for me. Why do you continue to ignore that the insured are using the ER's because of the doctor shortage and inability to get into seeing one? How does adding 30 million more solve that problem?

Originally Posted by Conservative

No one said that the two wars didn't cost anything but they have cost less than that one attack on 9/11. It is the role of the Federal govt. to protect this country not provide cradle to grave coverage.

Not sure where you went to school but if you believe it is the role of the govt. to provide healthcare for all then that school is badly broken.

As for bandaids. I prefer to buy my own not force you to buy them for me. Why do you continue to ignore that the insured are using the ER's because of the doctor shortage and inability to get into seeing one? How does adding 30 million more solve that problem?

Those wars did nothing to protect us from 9/11, especially Iraq which was completely unrelated (At least OBL was in Afghanistan).

But we are buying them for many. That's why they cost that much. We are, right now, before reform, paying for everyone who isn't insured. What you say you don't want, you're doing right now, without reform.

As for the role of government, we are the government. We can decide what we do to solve problems. And we can use government as a tool to work our solution to the problem.

Boo Radley;1058659062]Those wars did nothing to protect us from 9/11, especially Iraq which was completely unrelated (At least OBL was in Afghanistan).

That is your opinion and right out of the liberal play book. Fact is after 9/11 it took us almost 1 1/2 years to attack Iraq. Since the attack on Iraq and Afghanistan we haven't been attacked since and thousands of al Qaeda have been killed or captured many in Iraq. Hindsight is 20/20 but it serves no purpose other than diversion to relive the reasons for going into Iraq.

But we are buying them for many. That's why they cost that much. We are, right now, before reform, paying for everyone who isn't insured. What you say you don't want, you're doing right now, without reform.

We are buying them for the insured, just like the uninsured. We are also buying them for illegal aliens and nothing in this bill solves that problem.

As for the role of government, we are the government. We can decide what we do to solve problems. And we can use government as a tool to work our solution to the problem.

Same old argument again when proven wrong. The American people voted for change they can believe in in November, not chang in everything they believe in. We live in a divided nation and have a President who promised like many to change the tone in Washington and to do the will of the people. The will of the people was to defeat this legislation that he jammed down our throats.

you like far too many have a passion for this legislation but ignore the possibility that you could be wrong. This is a multi TRILLION dollar mistake if you are wrong, but what the hell it is only money, someone else's? No, you are paying for this POS with the additional taxes you are going to pay.

Originally Posted by Conservative

That is your opinion and right out of the liberal play book. Fact is after 9/11 it took us almost 1 1/2 years to attack Iraq. Since the attack on Iraq and Afghanistan we haven't been attacked since and thousands of al Qaeda have been killed or captured many in Iraq. Hindsight is 20/20 but it serves no purpose other than diversion to relive the reasons for going into Iraq.

I think it is a little more than that as there is no real way it could logically have protected us from anything. None of the attackers came form Iraq. None were supported by Iraqi money. None were even from Afghanistan for that matter and they got no financial support from that country either. It's hard to argue you can beat Tarzan by attacking Jane.

And most those capture, especially in Iraq, had nothing to do with those who attacked us. They were Iraqis using the name. Kind of like saying girl scouts calling themselves the New Orleans Saints and you thinking you beat the world champions when you and your friends beat them in a football game.

And frankly, people knew this going in, and stated so. That's called foresight and not hindsight.

We are buying them for the insured, just like the uninsured. We are also buying them for illegal aliens and nothing in this bill solves that problem.

It solves a good part of the problem. The illegal problem will have to be addressed with something else. But saying fixing one thing means nothing is fixed is kind of silly, not to mention false.

Same old argument again when proven wrong. The American people voted for change they can believe in in November, not chang in everything they believe in. We live in a divided nation and have a President who promised like many to change the tone in Washington and to do the will of the people. The will of the people was to defeat this legislation that he jammed down our throats.

you like far too many have a passion for this legislation but ignore the possibility that you could be wrong. This is a multi TRILLION dollar mistake if you are wrong, but what the hell it is only money, someone else's? No, you are paying for this POS with the additional taxes you are going to pay.

The nation has been divided for some time. Bush took us to new levels of division long before Obama, and Bush even worked hard to foster that divide.

There is always a possibility of being wrong. You may be wrong. But that possibility doesn't mean we do noting. Nothing done can't be modified later. So, being wrong is hardly the end of the world. But doing nothing is irresponsible as we know the problem will continue to grow.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

I think it is a little more than that as there is no real way it could logically have protected us from anything. None of the attackers came form Iraq. None were supported by Iraqi money. None were even from Afghanistan for that matter and they got no financial support from that country either. It's hard to argue you can beat Tarzan by attacking Jane.

And most those capture, especially in Iraq, had nothing to do with those who attacked us. They were Iraqis using the name. Kind of like saying girl scouts calling themselves the New Orleans Saints and you thinking you beat the world champions when you and your friends beat them in a football game.

And frankly, people knew this going in, and stated so. That's called foresight and not hindsight.



It solves a good part of the problem. The illegal problem will have to be addressed with something else. But saying fixing one thing means nothing is fixed is kind of silly, not to mention false.




The nation has been divided for some time. Bush took us to new levels of division long before Obama, and Bush even worked hard to foster that divide.

There is always a possibility of being wrong. You may be wrong. But that possibility doesn't mean we do noting. Nothing done can't be modified later. So, being wrong is hardly the end of the world. But doing nothing is irresponsible as we know the problem will continue to grow.

How does this POS legislation solve part of the problem when there aren't enough doctors or hospitals to handle the demand now without an additional 30 million on the roles?

How does this POS legislation lower costs of healthcare by increasing the number by 30 million. That is illogical and absolutely wrong.

How many of the people using the ER's are illegal? You say that is a problem that has to be addressed but hasn't been. So what you are going to do is add another 30 million to the healthcare roles but not address the shortage of doctors and hospitals nor the illegal immigrant problem. That makes the problem worse.


Here is what our founders thought of the commerce clause but that liberals ignore


"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare.... [G]iving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and as they sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please."
-- Thomas Jefferson

James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon the limitation in a letter to James Robertson:

With respect to the two words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the "Articles of Confederation," and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted.

"Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
--James Madison

"When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
-- Benjamin Franklin

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one...."
-- James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

There are more than enough doctors to go around. Not to mention Physician assistants and Nurse practitioners. And more will be coming.

As for your quotes, I'm not entirely sure how you think they apply. Again, I see it as problem solving and not charity or right. Explain your purpose with the quotes.

Let me add this quote:

Each individual of the society has a right to be protected by it in the enjoyment of his life, liberty, and property, according to standing laws. He is obliged, consequently, to contribute his share to the expense of this protection; and to give his personal service, or an equivalent, when necessary. But no part of the property of any individual can, with justice, be taken from him, or applied to public uses, without his own consent, or that of the representative body of the people. In fine, the people of this commonwealth are not controllable by any other laws than those to which their constitutional representative body have given their consent.

John Adams, Thoughts on Government, 1776

Originally Posted by Boo Radley

There are more than enough doctors to go around. Not to mention Physician assistants and Nurse practitioners. And more will be coming.

As for your quotes, I'm not entirely sure how you think they apply. Again, I see it as problem solving and not charity or right. Explain your purpose with the quotes.

then why are insured using the ER's for routine services? Keep spinning and ignoring reality. You are an example of what is wrong with this country in that you cannot admit that you just could be wrong in addition to the fact that you cannot explain how this bill lowers healthcare costs and improves quality?

The quotes apply in that they address the liberal argument that it is the role of the govt. to provide healthcare to all citizens and have the ability to tax people to generate that healthcare.